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  • longmile
    Crumber
    • Apr 2011
    • 3366

    Originally posted by The Big Cat
    Andrew Ireland was on SEN this morning and says Tom wants to stay and the Swans want him to stay. But the cap is tight and any decision will depend on the increase the new collective bargaining outcomes has on the future TPP. Ireland says the club won't guess or assume increases as this approach may come back to bite them if not accurate.
    Just get rid of Sam Reid
    Only real money-sink on our list

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    • Auntie.Gerald
      Veterans List
      • Oct 2009
      • 6480

      I'm sure Macca is on $400k pa

      I love Macca but I would keep Tom Mitchell and offer Macca a far reduced
      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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      • ScottH
        It's Goodes to cheer!!
        • Sep 2003
        • 23665

        Originally posted by longmile
        I'll forgive Mitchell for leaving to anyone but the Hawks
        Could never forgive him for that
        If he wins us a flag and gets himself a NS medal in the process he can go where ever the hell he likes!!

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          The fact is that the swans are not only in a salary cap squeeze, which might well be relieved by a sizable increase in the cap from a new player agreement, but also in a squeeze for places on the senior list.

          The only obvious senior departures at this time are Ted, Derickx and Hiscox. I think we need 2 more more, preferably 3. We need to upgrade at least 2 rookies, Papley plus either Foote or Newman. Neither will be pleased not to be upgraded. If I had to pick one to upgrade it would be Newman, as Foote really doesn't have many better options than biding his time at the Swans as a 3rd year rookie. We can delist and re-rookie Melican if we want. Marsh will have to stay a rookie with the offer of a senior upgrade for AJ, who will almost certainly start the year on the LTIL. COL is on a 2 year rookie contract.

          We have to be prepared to take Jake Brown on our senior list as he might get a bid after the 2nd round. I think we want him. We might have to expand our senior list to 39 if we are forced to match a bid and can't rookie him.

          It's not that obvious where these 2 or 3 additional departures will come from, but here are my thoughts:

          1. Dean Towers: If he doesn't play finals, which seems most likely, I think he's gone. I think Rohan plays better without him in the forward line. We also have a couple of players coming through in Rose and Dawson that seem more promising. Dean will be 27 next year. He has a better chance for a legitimate career somewhere else. I would look for a 2nd or 3rd round pick upgrade, maybe to Brisbane.
          2. Ben McGlynn: I had him as a near definite delisting a few weeks ago, but if he has a good finals series it could be hard to drop him. He just turned 31 and if he can show he's back to his best, he would be worth a 1 year contract. It will be a tough call.
          3. Sinclair or Nankervis: There are a few teams that would love to have a backup ruckman, ruck-forward. Richmond, Brisbane to name 2, plus Hawthorn and WCE who have lost a ruckman for next year. I don't think either will see much action next year unless Naismith or Tippett are injured. Sam Reid offers a better backup ruck than either, assuming he's fit to play.
          4. Tom Mitchell: This thread is ostensibly about Tom, and it may come down to the need to let go of a very good player who are fortunate enough to have plenty off replacements for and use his departure to land a quality player in the draft. It solves a few problems, including list spots, salary cap and creating a much needed midfield spot for several young players.
          5. Sam Reid: He's a long shot to be traded His value has probably diminished in any case due to his lack of playing this year. I'm sure we would love to keep him. He's a free agent next year, probably a restricted one, so it might be hard for him to move easily if we really want him. I frankly can't see him going, but who knows what's going on behind the scenes.


          Except for Towers all the others would be difficult calls. That's why I see Tom as probably holding the number 5 slot for departures atm.

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          • Buzz80
            On the Rookie List
            • Aug 2016
            • 31

            At the AA awards, Buddy said he missed Cyril and said he should get him up to Sydney ???? Mitchell and Towers for Cyril and 3rd round pick seems fair ????

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            • ernie koala
              Senior Player
              • May 2007
              • 3251

              Originally posted by longmile
              Just get rid of Sam Reid
              Only real money-sink on our list
              Agree with this.

              Given the rise of X Richards and Rohan in the forward line, and Allir in the defence...Abe Davis and Dawson developing well in the 2's....

              'Nearly there Sinclair' as a back up ruckman/forward

              Keep Mitchell, trade Reid....

              IMO he would be worth an early 2nd round pick, which would leave us with 3 picks in the top 40.

              Going on recent drafting form, we would be bound to strike gold with at least one of those picks.
              Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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              • Faunac8
                Senior Player
                • Mar 2014
                • 1548

                Originally posted by ernie koala
                Agree with this.

                Given the rise of X Richards and Rohan in the forward line, and Allir in the defence...Abe Davis and Dawson developing well in the 2's....

                'Nearly there Sinclair' as a back up ruckman/forward

                Keep Mitchell, trade Reid....

                IMO he would be worth an early 2nd round pick, which would leave us with 3 picks in the top 40.

                Going on recent drafting form, we would be bound to strike gold with at least one of those picks.
                Sadly and reluctantly, given the huge potential I felt that Sam showed a few seasons back I have to agree with this suggestion. We have uncovered some depth in the areas that Sam was slated to fill and I feel that Tom Mitchell is closing in on elite status and gives us real depth in the midfield. I know that many pundits see Isaac and Callum as midfielders in the near future but why would we look to change what is currently working so well?
                I still see at least one Brownlow if not more being won by this duo and believe they have the skills to win it without necessarily being a midfielder ( although playing in this position in the field certainly does help )

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                • Industrial Fan
                  Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 3318

                  Originally posted by ugg
                  A not very cryptic tweet. Unless he means Kane


                  Who is that Ugg?
                  He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                  • ugg
                    Can you feel it?
                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15970

                    It's someone at Champion Data who based on his/her past tweets is a huge fan of Tom Mitchell
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                    • caj23
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 2462

                      Originally posted by ernie koala
                      Agree with this.

                      Given the rise of X Richards and Rohan in the forward line, and Allir in the defence...Abe Davis and Dawson developing well in the 2's....

                      'Nearly there Sinclair' as a back up ruckman/forward

                      Keep Mitchell, trade Reid....

                      IMO he would be worth an early 2nd round pick, which would leave us with 3 picks in the top 40.

                      Going on recent drafting form, we would be bound to strike gold with at least one of those picks.
                      Sam won't be going anywhere. X Richards isn't even close to Sam's standard, Rohan isn't KP, Allir has already taken Ted's role, and who knows if Davis or Dawson will even make it.

                      Reid is a an athletic 24 year old key position player who can play at either end of the ground with 98 games and a premiership under his belt. He's about to enter the prime of his career, to suggest we'd trade him for a 2nd round pick is ridiculous.

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                      • ernie koala
                        Senior Player
                        • May 2007
                        • 3251

                        Originally posted by caj23
                        Sam won't be going anywhere. X Richards isn't even close to Sam's standard, Rohan isn't KP, Allir has already taken Ted's role, and who knows if Davis or Dawson will even make it.

                        Reid is a an athletic 24 year old key position player who can play at either end of the ground with 98 games and a premiership under his belt. He's about to enter the prime of his career, to suggest we'd trade him for a 2nd round pick is ridiculous.
                        You don't have to agree, but to say the idea of trading him is ridiculous...is, IMO, ridiculous.

                        It's about list management. I'd prefer we keep Mitchell over Reid.

                        He's 23, our other main extractor, Kennedy, is 28. That's a good age difference for succession.

                        Reid takes up plenty of salary, has been good, not great, so far in his career, but the big one for me is....

                        He's showing the same injury issues as his brother Ben...calfs, hammies, quads, achilles...In the supposed 'prime of his career'.

                        Next year Reid becomes a free agent, or restricted free agent, which makes trading him this year potentially more profitable, and therefore more palatable.
                        Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                        • mattybloods
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 482

                          Originally posted by caj23
                          Sam won't be going anywhere. X Richards isn't even close to Sam's standard, Rohan isn't KP, Allir has already taken Ted's role, and who knows if Davis or Dawson will even make it.

                          Reid is a an athletic 24 year old key position player who can play at either end of the ground with 98 games and a premiership under his belt. He's about to enter the prime of his career, to suggest we'd trade him for a 2nd round pick is ridiculous.
                          Agreed. I think if Reid got on the track this year people wouldn't be suggesting a trade. He's been an important part of our forward line when fit and he's still so young! Crazy to think Sam two years younger than Towers!

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                          • crackedactor
                            Regular in the Side
                            • May 2012
                            • 919

                            Originally posted by ernie koala
                            You don't have to agree, but to say the idea of trading him is ridiculous...is, IMO, ridiculous.

                            It's about list management. I'd prefer we keep Mitchell over Reid.

                            He's 23, our other main extractor, Kennedy, is 28. That's a good age difference for succession.

                            Reid takes up plenty of salary, has been good, not great, so far in his career, but the big one for me is....

                            He's showing the same injury issues as his brother Ben...calfs, hammies, quads, achilles...In the supposed 'prime of his career'.

                            Next year Reid becomes a free agent, or restricted free agent, which makes trading him this year potentially more profitable, and therefore more palatable.
                            Agree 100%. Reid has been good but not great, I can remember playing some good games but there has been plenty of ordinary ones as well. I cannot recall too many bad games from Tom Mitchell. So I agree we should keep TM over Reid any day of the week.

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                            • Jewels
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 3258

                              Originally posted by crackedactor
                              Agree 100%. Reid has been good but not great, I can remember playing some good games but there has been plenty of ordinary ones as well. I cannot recall too many bad games from Tom Mitchell. So I agree we should keep TM over Reid any day of the week.
                              Up until Reids injury against Freo last year (a game I believe we would have won if Sam hadn't gotten injured), you could quite realistically say the above in the reverse.
                              Mitchell spent much of his early career injured and couldn't hold his place in the senior team and Reid was looking like the next big thing. Sam's form has suffered in the last couple of seasons from having to play as the swing man and not having a defined position, and I think all things considered he did this quite admirably.
                              After the past twelve months I don't believe Sam would be worth much at the trade table, though I must agree trading him would give us some much needed cap relief, but I think his versatility is invaluable to the team if he can stay on the park.
                              I personally don't think he's as injury prone as his brother, just had an unfortunate season, but another year like this and I'll be singing a different tune I'm sure.

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                              • aardvark
                                Veterans List
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 5685

                                If we can afford to give AJ 5 years to get right we can afford another 12 months for Sam. If we look after him he's less likely to leave as a RFA in 12 months. If we're only offering Mitch $390k then I can understand him looking elsewhere. He is worth quite a bit more than that.

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