Rd 17, 2010 Demons V Swans Pre-Game Discussion (with Teams)

[Peace]

@@@@ i knew this!

Well thanks for jogging my memory then haha

[Melbourne_Blood]

The result will depend on what Swans side turns up on the day. Switched on swans- 3-5 goals. Really switched on and skillful swans- 4-8 goals. Slightly off game swans 1-12 point win- 1-12 point loss . Disinterested, slow swans- 5 goal loss!
Our best is capable of punishing the demons, but our worst is capable of being punished by the demons. Jamar V Mumford will be a good dual. How to approach there forward line will be interesting too, with no real focal point, but many dangerous players ( Jurrah, Green, Bennell etc. It's probably a good game for LRT to be missing as there isn't a good match up for him anyway ( I'd still prefer him in the side than out). I'd like to see Jetta in for Smith. No, he's not a tagger but i think we should go in with the attitude that Melbourne needs to stop our mids, rather than Vice Versa, and Jetta could tear up the G.

Do it for Jude !!!!

[Triple B]

Have to admit this cliche did cross my mind when I missed the North game to go to the snow. It occurred why the heck wouldn't you miss a game of footy to go skiing? (As it turned out, the answer was the almost complete absence of snow and the potential for serious physical harm).

We are in a group of 30 going to Falls Creek 22-29th Aug. Most, if not all, are driving down and staying in Albury/Mt Beauty/Bright etc to breakup the long drive and avoid the Sunday afternoon oversnow shenanigans.

The Minister for War and Finances presumed we would be doing the same thing ... yeah right. Swans v Bullies with Barry Hall and a probable 40K crowd at the SCG....not a chance I'll be missing that.

She will be staying home and resting. I told her I'd be home by midnight and she can start driving. The way I see it, we should be good for a 10am Sunday meetup at MtBeauty McDonalds for breakfast.

[hot potato]

Looks like this game is going to be a fast and furious contest and the D's are not to be underestimated, they've played some footy worthy of top four. However Sydney have improved heaps lately, so I'm pretty confident.
HP

[Nico]

Melbourne play by far their best footy at the G.

[DST]

At the other end of the ground, interesting stats on Gopher and Bulldog.



The whiteboard: alive and kicking - AFL.com.au

That is a really interesting stat, as we are ranked last for goals inside 50 from turnovers.

What that shows is, when we get both of our best small forwards who create pressure and can use the football well when they get it in F50 that we are a totally different team. Due to both being out for a large part of the year is probably why we are 16th in the turnover to goal inside F50 stats.

I remember having a go at someone on here after the North game who said Moore was hopeless in this game and should be dropped for not scoring enough. His value (along with McGlyn) is not scoring, it's putting pressure on defenders and then picking the right option once the ball is turned over that leads to scoring shorts or goals to themselves.

It's not coincidence that when both Moore and McGlyn play and play well that our forwards looks better and our scoring goes up and we win more.

DST

[DST]

Melbourne play by far their best footy at the G.

Yep, but they are also very predictable and suspect to teams that are disciplined and can carry out structures and instructions well.

Melbourne are very quick, but they will always use the centre corridor when coming off the defensive 50. Guard that space very well and force them to turn it over then your running defenders can have a field day going forward.

If we can pressure the centre square and force them to turn over the ball, then Malceski, Kennelly and Mattner are going to have a picnic.

I think our team and style of play suits them very well, just need to cancel out that pace advantage.
DST

[Primmy]

I remember having a go at someone on here after the North game who said Moore was hopeless in this game and should be dropped for not scoring enough. His value (along with McGlyn) is not scoring, it's putting pressure on defenders and then picking the right option once the ball is turned over that leads to scoring shorts or goals to themselves.

It's not coincidence that when both Moore and McGlyn play and play well that our forwards looks better and our scoring goes up and we win more.

DST

I rememer that post and dissed it as being not worth my notice. One of the great things about Bulldog is his ability to see the moves in advance, and set up - I do believe they call it a playmaker. He is not there to kick goals. I rate him bigtime. I also rate Benny as one of the most competitive blokes we have in this team. He reminds me a little of Paul Chapman who is my favourite notaswan. Quietly fearce and furious. I'd rather play with him than agin him. Very satisfying having them both in this team.

[liz]

Yep, but they are also very predictable and suspect to teams that are disciplined and can carry out structures and instructions well.

Melbourne are very quick, but they will always use the centre corridor when coming off the defensive 50. Guard that space very well and force them to turn it over then your running defenders can have a field day going forward.

If we can pressure the centre square and force them to turn over the ball, then Malceski, Kennelly and Mattner are going to have a picnic.

I think our team and style of play suits them very well, just need to cancel out that pace advantage.
DST

One thing I've noticed about the Dees this year is that they almost always seem to play on, especially when moving the ball through the corridor. It seems Bailey is trying to create a Geelong style game plan. This might stand them in very good stead in the future, but at the moment most of their players don't have the footy nous of the Geelong midfield, nor the body strength to bust through tackles, or to keep the arms free long enough to handball while being tackled.

[ScottH]

Melbourne play by far their best footy at the G.

Although they are coming off a hard slog over in the west.
I guess we'll see how they run out the game on Sunday.

[johnno]

One thing I've noticed about the Dees this year is that they almost always seem to play on, especially when moving the ball through the corridor. It seems Bailey is trying to create a Geelong style game plan. This might stand them in very good stead in the future, but at the moment most of their players don't have the footy nous of the Geelong midfield, nor the body strength to bust through tackles, or to keep the arms free long enough to handball while being tackled.

Very true comment, Bailey is trying desperately to model them on Geelong's game style.

[johnno]

I rememer that post and dissed it as being not worth my notice. One of the great things about Bulldog is his ability to see the moves in advance, and set up - I do believe they call it a playmaker. He is not there to kick goals. I rate him bigtime. I also rate Benny as one of the most competitive blokes we have in this team. He reminds me a little of Paul Chapman who is my favourite notaswan. Quietly fearce and furious. I'd rather play with him than agin him. Very satisfying having them both in this team.

The thing that has surprised me with McGlynn this year is how accurate he is in front of goal. He had a (BIG) reputation at Hawthorn as someone who would be great at getting the hard ball and getting plenty of disposal, but would very often turn it over with poor disposal or miss very getable goals. I must admit, I haven't seen him miss too many in front of goal this year.

[aardvark]

That is a really interesting stat, as we are ranked last for goals inside 50 from turnovers. I remember having a go at someone on here after the North game who said Moore was hopeless in this game and should be dropped for not scoring enough. His value (along with McGlyn) is not scoring, it's putting pressure on defenders and then picking the right option once the ball is turned over that leads to scoring shorts or goals to themselves. It's not coincidence that when both Moore and McGlyn play and play well that our forwards looks better and our scoring goes up and we win more.DST

Moore has 8 goals and 9 goal assists from 10 games this season. I suppose a contribution of less than 2 goals a game when you add the two together is acceptable for some small forwards. I think his real contribution is his ability to organise the forward line on the ground, a skill that is desperately needed at times this season. How you quantify his influence is difficult but most agree we function better when he plays. I believe our defensive pressure problems stem from having midfielders "resting" in the forward line instead of specialist forwards.

The question is does his contribution equal that of someone who could average 3 or 4 goals a game and do we have someone capable of doing that?

[BSA5]

That is a really interesting stat, as we are ranked last for goals inside 50 from turnovers.

What that shows is, when we get both of our best small forwards who create pressure and can use the football well when they get it in F50 that we are a totally different team. Due to both being out for a large part of the year is probably why we are 16th in the turnover to goal inside F50 stats.

I remember having a go at someone on here after the North game who said Moore was hopeless in this game and should be dropped for not scoring enough. His value (along with McGlyn) is not scoring, it's putting pressure on defenders and then picking the right option once the ball is turned over that leads to scoring shorts or goals to themselves.

It's not coincidence that when both Moore and McGlyn play and play well that our forwards looks better and our scoring goes up and we win more.

DST

It's quite telling that Moore and McGlynn have the second and third highest average score assists at the club (behind Goodes, who is first, and excluding O'Dwyer, who is first outright but has only played one game).

[liz]

The question is does his contribution equal that of someone who could average 3 or 4 goals a game and do we have someone capable of doing that?

A player who averages 4 goals a game would land up with close to 90 for the season. Given we haven't had anyone capable of doing that since Plugger retired, it is probably safe to say we don't have anyone at the moment - certainly not anyone in the "small forward" mold. Even an average of 3 goals a game is something only the very best smallish forwards can do. Beyond Milne, le Cras and Betts, I can't think of any in the AFL who look capable of that - unless you include taller "non-key" forwards like Steve Johnson.

A return of 2 goals a game - 40 ish if they play the whole season - from someone like Moore would be a more than adequate return, especially if they are also creating goals and providing forward line pressure. He hasn't delivered that but is possibly capable of getting close, especially if he can keep his fitness close to peak levels.