2010 Delistings & Retirements

[liz]

Edit: why does the article say "at least three selections"? Contrary to the start of the story, holding out some possibility that these might not be the final changes? Or just holding fire on Pyke's permanent promotion?

The club has the ability to extend the size of the senior list by up to 2 spots by moving one or two veterans to the "outside" list. Last year we went in with two inside veterans and hence a senior list of just 38.

[laughingnome]

Don't you want to just sometimes grab them by their ears, give them a shake, and yell "look at me!!! I used to be 21 too, and now I am not!!! Life is not permanently lived at your current age and fitness level"!!!!!

No, I want to grab them by the ears, give them a shake and yell, "Dammit! I'd give anything in the world to have the bloody natural talent and athleticism you possess! Stop being a lazy s-o-b and go out there and do it!"

[Primmy]

Gold Laughing, Gold.

[707]

I think the rule has changed for 2011 and now its only one Veteran allowed outside the list. Given we didn't have anyone outside in 2010 that still gives us room for one more.

So that's Kirk, Thornton, Barlow and MOD off and Pyke promoted so we'll use at least three and possibly all four picks at the ND.

No surprises with Cheese and MOD, neither was likely to be a premiership player. I think the potential of Sumner is seen as greater than MOD, Cheese just never looked the player his physical attributes should have made him. Time to move on from both now.

[liz]

I think the rule has changed for 2011 and now its only one Veteran allowed outside the list. Given we didn't have anyone outside in 2010 that still gives us room for one more.

I think the rules re veterans are contained in the CBA, which is set to be re-negotiated for 2012. Where did you hear / read that the number of allowed outside veterans was changing?

[Swanner]

what are the relative benefits of inside and outside veterans?

[liz]

For any veteran, part of their salary sits outside the cap. If a club has one or two, half of each player's salary is outsdie the cap. If a club has more, the proportion decreases - eg to a third of each player if there are three veterans - so the maximum total benefit for a club can't exceed more than the equivalent of one player.

If a club elects for one or two veterans to be "outside" that means the club can have more senior players. The standard senior player list is 38 players. With two outside veterans it can be as high as 40 players, but there is a reduction in the number of rookies that club can have.

For a club who doesn't have any outside veterans, it can nominate up to two rookies (or one rookie if they have one outside veteran) who are available to play senior footy regardless of injuries to senior listed players. So effectively, evey club can start the season with access to 40 players who can play senior footy without relying on long term injury.

For a club in the Swans' situation, which has some flexibility given we had no outside veterans last year but Goodes, Jude (and, I think, ROK) eligible, it comes down to how many rookies versus senior players they want, where they think they need to draft them to get access to the players they want, and maybe some salary cap considerations too. If they are weighing up using pick 73 versus filling that spot via the rookie draft, they'll probably consider earlier access in the National Draft versus longer to look at marginal players for the rookie draft, and possibly being able to have candidates training with them pre-rookie draft to get a better idea of their capabilities. Also, a rookie only has to be given a one year contract initially whereas a player taken in the ND gets two years, so you can cut your losses sooner with a rookie if you want.

[stellation]

MOD was just never going to cut it with his disposal, he reminded me so much of a shorter, less skilled Jordan McMahon.

Ed's a great dissapointment, I was such an immense fan of his and each week would hope to see him sneak into the team and finally click. If he isn't picked up by anyone else I wouldn't be overly suprised to see him run out with GWS.

[Blood]

Bitterly dissapointed to see MOD delisted. I thought he had loads of potential.

[2005]

No great loss with Barlow and MOD

Both are battlers at best ,thats a fact.
You might be able to star in Canberra , though its a fair way off the big stuff.

[rojo]

So sad to have to say 'fare thee well' to my boy Ed, but it had to happen. I do hope he gets to play with a VFL side and somehow finds that 'missing link' which will pull it all together for him. You never know he could end up being a Michael Barlow or James Podsiadly one day!!!
All the best to MOD as well.

[The Goodes]

MOD was just never going to cut it with his disposal, he reminded me so much of a shorter, less skilled Jordan McMahon.

Ed's a great dissapointment, I was such an immense fan of his and each week would hope to see him sneak into the team and finally click. If he isn't picked up by anyone else I wouldn't be overly suprised to see him run out with GWS.

This. The Club could re-list MOD if they feel like it?

[BSA5]

MOD was just never going to cut it with his disposal, he reminded me so much of a shorter, less skilled Jordan McMahon.

MOD has MUCH better disposal than Jordan McMahon. They are a similar type of player though, and MOD didn't help the comparison when he grew that seedy moustache that McMahon also had!

[hammo]

I get the impression these blokes - Vesz, Ed and MOD - gave up towards the end of the season given their lackluster reserves performances towards the end. Probably no surprise to them they are gone and we know in Vesz's case, he just wanted a change.

[liz]

MOD has MUCH better disposal than Jordan McMahon. They are a similar type of player though, and MOD didn't help the comparison when he grew that seedy moustache that McMahon also had!

Not sure about that. I thought McMahon's disposal was quite good early in his career but he was a soft, inside runner. At Richmond - with his confidence probably down - his disposal did seem to deteriorate. I think MOD was a lot harder than McMahon and was very very good overhead but the inconsistency of his kicking, and maybe a lack of focus on his career, are probably what cost him.