Changes for the Suns

[Bloody Hell]

As mentioned in another thread, if we continue to play dumb footballers in the forward line, we will lose more than we win in the second half of the season.

Everitt, Bevan, White = dumb, dumber, dumbest.

I suggest White would take up arms if he saw that.

Imagine being called dumber than Bevan. The man doesn't have a brain. Plenty of heart and courage...but no brain.

[Big Al]

Agree totally with your post. Time the coach overule the conditioning staff in this instance. I sure the great FFs Locket, Dunstall, Ablett etc practised their goal kicking.

My theory is that goal kicking hasn't improved over the years because the pressure of the game has intensified and players haven't adjusted well to it. The players and coaches say that when they do practice they nail most shots because it's hard to replicate game day pressure on the training track.

[Hartijon]

My theory is that goal kicking hasn't improved over the years because the pressure of the game has intensified and players haven't adjusted well to it. The players and coaches say that when they do practice they nail most shots because it's hard to replicate game day pressure on the training track.

Weak excuse by the coaches and I don,t buy it. You practise goal kicking with a mate in your own time for hours every week if you are a forward. I would hope about 8 hours a week. That is purely for kicking technique and practise at difficult angles. Check how the Pod and Stevie J handle the boundary line shot! Hours of practise there!

At practise you replicate distraction with your team mates yelling at you and coach telling you you will miss,chewing gum on the boot etc. During a match,if you have been coached correctly,have thoroughly practised the technique and had some diversion seasoning,you will nail the easy shots every time and some of the harder ones. Good forwards must have goal kicking skills otherwise what is the point of them getting kicks for goal??

[giant]

Which one do you sit next to, on the two seater rides?
Do you play favourites??

I wave to them from the nearest establishment serving alcohol.

[Big Al]

Weak excuse by the coaches and I don,t buy it. You practise goal kicking with a mate in your own time for hours every week if you are a forward. I would hope about 8 hours a week. That is purely for kicking technique and practise at difficult angles. Check how the Pod and Stevie J handle the boundary line shot! Hours of practise there!

At practise you replicate distraction with your team mates yelling at you and coach telling you you will miss,chewing gum on the boot etc. During a match,if you have been coached correctly,have thoroughly practised the technique and had some diversion seasoning,you will nail the easy shots every time and some of the harder ones. Good forwards must have goal kicking skills otherwise what is the point of them getting kicks for goal??

You can't replicate the pressure of 40,000 people screaming with a kick to put you in front deep into the last quarter. It just can't be done. I agree they need to practice so hopefully confidence in the process can overcome these pressures. It comes down to technique and mental toughness.

[ScottH]

I wave to them from the nearest establishment serving alcohol.

[ScottH]

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[Matimbo]

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[wolftone57]

My theory is that goal kicking hasn't improved over the years because the pressure of the game has intensified and players haven't adjusted well to it. The players and coaches say that when they do practice they nail most shots because it's hard to replicate game day pressure on the training track.

Sorry Al not going to swallow that one missing set shots from 20 to 30 metres out on a slight angle is just woeful. The ex-players, coaches etc on the commentary teams mention this quite often as a floor in the prepararion. It doesn't just apply to us, have a look at Pies. Dunstall, who knows a little about goal kicking, was lamenting the lack of goal kicking practice at training sessions he has seen & the poor excecution of ball drop. His solution is more practice with specialist goal kicking coaches.

I can understand missing shots under pressure but set shots & shots on the run under no pressure, not good. Daisie Thomas went hell for leather on Sunday was free under no pressure, slowed down & kicked out on the full. A basic training drill shot totally stuffed up. I think it is the drop to the boot & the way players are holding the ball, a lot of them are trying to copy Fev & his hold which is very unorthadox & ungainly if you don't have huge hands. I think the specialist coaches shou just take players back to basics on ball hold & ball drop & all would be well.

By the way I have some theories on Ryno's kicking problems

1. He used to approach the goal very directly, run strait in, now he arcs
2. He drops the ball too far acroos the boot on some occassions due to no 1
3. He continually adjusting his ball hold while on approach to goal. Get the hold right & maintain it

If he runs directly at goal, maintains a central hold on the ball & then drops directly he should be ok. He was one of the best at kicking goals for those reasons, he didn't have the leftie hook.

[wolftone57]

If Jack, Smithie & Mal fit then they come in as well as TDL & spangher

Out; White, Benny, Everritt, LRT & Tadhg (for rest, poor old fella, gotta take care of the old fellas).

[Ruck'n'Roll]

If Jack, Smithie & Mal fit then they come in as well as TDL & spangher

Out; White, Benny, Everritt, LRT & Tadhg (for rest, poor old fella, gotta take care of the old fellas).

So will Seaby be rucking all day? Or should Spanky be having a go (although with a career total of 5 hitouts it may be a big ask)?

[Peace]

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[RogueSwan]

For all those talking (complaining) about the goal kicking:
In an article in yesterdays paper edition of the SMH (I couldn't find an online link) ROK talks about their goal kicking practice.
He mentioned that they do have a specific goal kicking training session plus during other training sessions they all have shots on goal.
To paraphrase he said something like "you can kick 100 goals during training but for some reason it is hard to replicate during games."
I will check the article tonight at home to ensure I got it right.

[RogueSwan]

Okay, here it is:
ROK - "We make it a focus. We've got a session which is soley dedicated to it, and then during our other two track sessions guys try and kick as many goals as they can. Sometimes the pressure of the game, the conditions, I don't know, you don't know why you miss them. You kick that goal 100 times at practice but when comes to the crunch a little error gets magnified."

[Big Al]

Sorry Al not going to swallow that one missing set shots from 20 to 30 metres out on a slight angle is just woeful. The ex-players, coaches etc on the commentary teams mention this quite often as a floor in the prepararion. It doesn't just apply to us, have a look at Pies. Dunstall, who knows a little about goal kicking, was lamenting the lack of goal kicking practice at training sessions he has seen & the poor excecution of ball drop. His solution is more practice with specialist goal kicking coaches.

I can understand missing shots under pressure but set shots & shots on the run under no pressure, not good. Daisie Thomas went hell for leather on Sunday was free under no pressure, slowed down & kicked out on the full. A basic training drill shot totally stuffed up. I think it is the drop to the boot & the way players are holding the ball, a lot of them are trying to copy Fev & his hold which is very unorthadox & ungainly if you don't have huge hands. I think the specialist coaches shou just take players back to basics on ball hold & ball drop & all would be well.

By the way I have some theories on Ryno's kicking problems

1. He used to approach the goal very directly, run strait in, now he arcs
2. He drops the ball too far acroos the boot on some occassions due to no 1
3. He continually adjusting his ball hold while on approach to goal. Get the hold right & maintain it

If he runs directly at goal, maintains a central hold on the ball & then drops directly he should be ok. He was one of the best at kicking goals for those reasons, he didn't have the leftie hook.

As ROK just said players get a high % of these shots in a dedicated session at training but miss them in games. I believe it comes down to some players not coping with the pressure.

I'm in no way excusing the misses in games because it's unacceptable for highly paid players to miss the shots they're missing. If it's a technique issue then it should be picked up and corrected at training but that can only do so much. You have to find a way for players to cope better with game pressure. Look at Lindsay Thomas for someone who's goal kicking woes is all down to having the yips. I would imagine at training he's nailing them all over the place.