Longmire - How much longer?

[Frog]

No, I won't ... Have you seen how he reacts in the box? Especially after he just barked orders and they are being ignored? Ever seen the look of incredulity when the players, once again, totally ignore his orders? Ever get the idea when he is in the box that he is ready to give up and has no answers? I've seen it, it's how I read it.

We have seen today, I repeat, we have seen today, that he has the personnel to do much better, but it took a memory for a mate to bring it out. Now Macca, he has their respect ... and today, they did it for him. If only every other week they would do it for John, like they should, we'd be in the top 4 as we all thought this group could do. And on today's effort, we can. They just don't feel like doing it for John. THAT is MY take on it. You may argue against it, but please don't call my argument stupid or irrelevant or without evidence. Back your stance with evidence that he is a good coach. Oh, and winning an ACT competition doesn't count. That competition is worse than the Ovens and Murray River leagues

[Big Al]

There's 2 issues here. One is your assertion they aren't playing for the coach. I refute that because I just don't see it. I'm interested to know you know what orders Horse is barking and how you know they're being ignored. Taps on the phones are illegal aren't they. Also I can't see how you would take the body language of a coach's frustration and come to the conclusion that the players aren't playing for him. I don't get the connection.

The second issue is whether he's a good coach. The improvement of our young players who are the future of this footy club is encouraging. He's had to deal with a forward line without a big body KP in it for most of the year. He is a first year coach of a side which is clearly rebuilding for the future and he has kept us competitive while doing so. Has he made errors. Of course he has, he's human. However what I've seen so far this year has given me great encouragement for a bright future.

Also I would never call your arguments stupid or irrelevant.

[Jewels]

He does not have the respect of the players and he never will, no matter what he does.

My daughter works for the SCG trust. Her job means that she spends a lot of time liasing with the tenants of the trust and also has become quite friendly with quite a few players and staff from ALL tenants including the Swans.
I can tell you the players are VERY happy with Longmire as coach and have every bit as much respect for him as they had for Roos.

No, I won't ... Have you seen how he reacts in the box? Especially after he just barked orders and they are being ignored? Ever seen the look of incredulity when the players, once again, totally ignore his orders? Ever get the idea when he is in the box that he is ready to give up and has no answers? I've seen it, it's how I read it.

Have you ever seen Malthouse, Eade, Harvey, Lion Et Al? Every coach in the league loses the plot when things aren't going his way.

We have seen today, I repeat, we have seen today, that he has the personnel to do much better, but it took a memory for a mate to bring it out. Now Macca, he has their respect ... and today, they did it for him. If only every other week they would do it for John, like they should, we'd be in the top 4 as we all thought this group could do. And on today's effort, we can. They just don't feel like doing it for John. THAT is MY take on it. You may argue against it, but please don't call my argument stupid or irrelevant or without evidence. Back your stance with evidence that he is a good coach. Oh, and winning an ACT competition doesn't count. That competition is worse than the Ovens and Murray River leagues

I respect that that is your take on it and you are most certainly entitled to your opinion and whether Longmire is a good coach or not is still open for debate, but I can assure you that garnering the teams respect is not one of his problems.

[Bas]

No, I won't ... Have you seen how he reacts in the box? Especially after he just barked orders and they are being ignored? Ever seen the look of incredulity when the players, once again, totally ignore his orders? Ever get the idea when he is in the box that he is ready to give up and has no answers? I've seen it, it's how I read it.

We have seen today, I repeat, we have seen today, that he has the personnel to do much better

I've read some strange and bizarre threads on RWO over the years and many of them are mine BUT your post is, with all due respect, seriously delusional.

You're sitting there in front of your telly on the Gold Coast and you can tell all that. Right.............

[DeadlyAkkuret]

No, I won't ... Have you seen how he reacts in the box? Especially after he just barked orders and they are being ignored? Ever seen the look of incredulity when the players, once again, totally ignore his orders? Ever get the idea when he is in the box that he is ready to give up and has no answers? I've seen it, it's how I read it.

We have seen today, I repeat, we have seen today, that he has the personnel to do much better, but it took a memory for a mate to bring it out. Now Macca, he has their respect ... and today, they did it for him. If only every other week they would do it for John, like they should, we'd be in the top 4 as we all thought this group could do. And on today's effort, we can. They just don't feel like doing it for John. THAT is MY take on it. You may argue against it, but please don't call my argument stupid or irrelevant or without evidence. Back your stance with evidence that he is a good coach. Oh, and winning an ACT competition doesn't count. That competition is worse than the Ovens and Murray River leagues

So let me clear things up.

You're saying Longmire can't coach and isn't respected based on the look on his face in the coaches box and because we need a death (sorry to be so blunt) to inspire us against the 2nd best team in the country, but you want anyone who disagrees with you to back their argument up with evidence?

Laughable.

[Primmy]

So let me clear things up.

You're saying Longmire can't coach and isn't respected based on the look on his face in the coaches box and because we need a death (sorry to be so blunt) to inspire us against the 2nd best team in the country, but you want anyone who disagrees with you to back their argument up with evidence?

Laughable.

+1.

We are about to head into finals in Horse's first year as HC. I can name a number of other senior coaches who after some years of work still haven't got their teams into even one final game. Give me a break.

[aardvark]

There is a lot more to being a Head coach than just the game. Horse has won my respect with the way he has handled the last week and his game day performance will improve with time and experience. He is a class act IMO.

[Frog]

Yes, you are all correct. I am wrong. I have slept on it and agree that you are better judges of character from your seat in front of your TV than I am. There is no longer any need for me to partake in this debate.

[liz]

Yes, you are all correct. I am wrong. I have slept on it and agree that you are better judges of character from your seat in front of your TV than I am. There is no longer any need for me to partake in this debate.

None of us can judge character sitting in front of our TVs.

The reason why this thread is daft is that drawing conclusions about the adequacy of a coach when he has had less than a year in charge is baffling (especially when ladder position provides objective evidence that he is not a complete dud).

[BSA5]

Yes, you are all correct. I am wrong. I have slept on it and agree that you are better judges of character from your seat in front of your TV than I am. There is no longer any need for me to partake in this debate.

Stop being so bloody precious. Nobody is attempting to judge. If somebody was claiming that they could tell that Longmire was the best coach of all time just by watching him in the box then they'd be equally wrong.

[Bas]

Yes, you are all correct. I am wrong. I have slept on it and agree that you are better judges of character from your seat in front of your TV than I am. There is no longer any need for me to partake in this debate.

Let that be a lesson to you for taking on people with superior intelligents

Sitting "in" watching "gents" on "telly".

[Triple B]

Let that be a lesson to you for taking on people with superior intelligents

Sitting "in" watching "gents" on "telly".

Made me giggle...

[Nico]

Made me giggle...

Was the giggle for the 'sitting in etc" or the spelling of intelligence?

[Shotties]

What evidence do you have that he doesn't have the respect of the players?? (Don't mention the photo or I will throw up).

This one?

[Bas]

I think it was the photo of the two of them passing each other on the stairs in the race.