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  • Melbourne_Blood
    Senior Player
    • May 2010
    • 3312

    Him this week* (LRT) I suspect his height will be needed in DEFENCE. They are talking Freo of playing Bradley, Pavlich, Anthony up forward. A resting ruck could rotate through there as well.

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    • ScottH
      It's Goodes to cheer!!
      • Sep 2003
      • 23665

      Maybe that was the ploy with LRT.
      No need for him in the back line with GWS, but he could use some match practice, and a lot of height in the F50 would disadvantage them.

      Freo will be a different story. I guess we'll see what they do with him in a weeks time.

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      • wolftone57
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2008
        • 5857

        I had a look at the highlights and LRT got into posie well and did some good things. I am biased in that I don't see him as a Forward/Ruck. I think if they are going to play the three prong Talls we might just need him. But we will also need Seabs. I think LRT is crap in the ruck and why should he be any good he is not a ruckman so why even try to turn him into one. Seabs or White to take 2nd ruck against Freo. I just don't get Longmire persevering with this stuff, it isn't working move on.

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        • Hartijon
          On the Rookie List
          • May 2008
          • 1536

          I think it is most unfair to criticize LRT for something he isn't and never has been. The criticism should be aimed at the selection panel and coach . To his credit LRT gives his best shot in the forwards and his lead to Jetta and set shot at goal was as good a forward play as I have seen at the Swans for a long while. He also give s rucking his best shot but is too short and not really a ruckman. Put him back in the backlines ,move AJ to a forward flank, bring in Lamb and TDL for some goal power up forward and watch us knock off Fremantle!

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          • caj23
            Senior Player
            • Aug 2003
            • 2462

            Originally posted by Hartijon
            I think it is most unfair to criticize LRT for something he isn't and never has been. The criticism should be aimed at the selection panel and coach . To his credit LRT gives his best shot in the forwards and his lead to Jetta and set shot at goal was as good a forward play as I have seen at the Swans for a long while. He also give s rucking his best shot but is too short and not really a ruckman. Put him back in the backlines ,move AJ to a forward flank, bring in Lamb and TDL for some goal power up forward and watch us knock off Fremantle!
            I dont think anyone is actuallly bagging LRT at all, we're just acknowledging that he's being played out of position

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              I don't see a problem of playing 4 tall defenders, especially against taller teams like Freo. The Saints with Fisher, Gilbert, Blake, and Dawson and Geelong with Scarlett, Lonergan, Taylor and Mackie, did it all the time, and often had a fifth 190cm player back there as well. I think the problem in playing LRT along with Reg, Ted and AJ is how to play the usual 'small defenders' who are so critical to our game.

              I think we can bring in Seaby and TDL for Everett and Parker, and perhaps give a shot as sub to Lamb in place of Cunningham and go smallish in the forward line, but have the option of playing LRT as a swingman up forward at times.

              We may have a bit of short term problem getting height into the forward line until ROK and Spangher are back. But how to structure the forward line looks like persisting for a while until someone steps up and shows they can take up the second big forward position. Maybe we will just have to wait for Starling (the next Buddy Franklin).

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              • Cheer Squad
                Sydney Swans
                • Apr 2007
                • 1948

                Originally posted by aardvark
                Lets face it Everitt, White, Morton, Tdl, Moore, Walsh, Seaby,and Pyke are all very average footballers. I doesn't matter which ones of them you put in they're never going to amount to much. I'm reserving judgement on Spanger and LRT should play Full back.
                IMHO, the only time LRT ever goes into the forward line is when there is an unwanted hole to fill. Everitt - well, if he was part of the answer, he would have been a regular in the team by now.

                Looking at that extensive list of names who've made an appearance in our forward line since the departure of Hall and O'Loughlin, it seems we're now betting the house on Sam Reid becoming our next "big thing" up front.

                He's a great mark on the lead, no doubt about that. But from what we saw on Saturday night, his kicking for goal is still a problem. He didn't even kick one!

                What happens if he doesn't come good in the way we want?

                We are quite exposed when it comes to reliable goal kickers. Just about everyone we've drafted in recent years to play that position seems to have come up short.

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                • Hartijon
                  On the Rookie List
                  • May 2008
                  • 1536

                  Solve the Swans forward problem and we will be knocking on the door of a GF appearance with a good chance of winning it.
                  Unfortunately its not easy. We have NO CHOICE but to experiment! Otherwise it will be another 6th position with maybe 2 finals but no further.At the end of this season if we haven't got a forward structure that works yet again its time to get the checkbook out and offer Buddy $$$$$ to come to Sydney.

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                  • wolftone57
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 5857

                    Originally posted by Hartijon
                    I think it is most unfair to criticize LRT for something he isn't and never has been. The criticism should be aimed at the selection panel and coach . To his credit LRT gives his best shot in the forwards and his lead to Jetta and set shot at goal was as good a forward play as I have seen at the Swans for a long while. He also give s rucking his best shot but is too short and not really a ruckman. Put him back in the backlines ,move AJ to a forward flank, bring in Lamb and TDL for some goal power up forward and watch us knock off Fremantle!
                    Not knocking LRT knocking the coaches for insisting on playing players out of posie. LRT might have made a forward if it was done when he was younger but trying to develop him at the end of his career is idiotic. We need forwards that are going to be there for between 5-10 years not 1-2 years. We need to develop a dangerous forward structure.

                    Forwards seem to be a sort of after-thought in the minds of the Sydney Brains Trust. It is as though they think 'It is so easy anyone can do it' but let's face it ain't and quite a few of our backline are failed forwards, just ask Reg!

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                    • Hartijon
                      On the Rookie List
                      • May 2008
                      • 1536

                      Originally posted by wolftone57
                      Not knocking LRT knocking the coaches for insisting on playing players out of posie. LRT might have made a forward if it was done when he was younger but trying to develop him at the end of his career is idiotic. We need forwards that are going to be there for between 5-10 years not 1-2 years. We need to develop a dangerous forward structure.

                      Forwards seem to be a sort of after-thought in the minds of the Sydney Brains Trust. It is as though they think 'It is so easy anyone can do it' but let's face it ain't and quite a few of our backline are failed forwards, just ask Reg!
                      When you play forward it is more difficult than playing in the backlines
                      1.You have to present yourself to your team mate running out of the backline or midfield and give him a target.That means breaking free.
                      2. If he miskicks to your opposition you look ineffectual when it is often not your fault just bad delivery
                      3.Once you get the ball you have to turn around to kick a goal ,your eventual destination is behind you when you make a lead.
                      4.often you are blocked from leading down the middle and only get the ball on a wide lead giving you a difficult shot.
                      5.Then there is streaming, illegal blocking, holding on to deal with (Reid is already getting heaps of this)

                      Compared to these things the backline is a breeze. I therefore agree with wolftone 57 and believe that the skills of someone like TDL are grossly underestimated.Kicking a bag of goals at any level is hard!

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                      • Dosser
                        Just wild about Harry
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 1833

                        Originally posted by Hartijon
                        When you play forward it is more difficult than playing in the backlines
                        1.You have to present yourself to your team mate running out of the backline or midfield and give him a target.That means breaking free.
                        2. If he miskicks to your opposition you look ineffectual when it is often not your fault just bad delivery
                        3.Once you get the ball you have to turn around to kick a goal ,your eventual destination is behind you when you make a lead.
                        4.often you are blocked from leading down the middle and only get the ball on a wide lead giving you a difficult shot.
                        5.Then there is streaming, illegal blocking, holding on to deal with (Reid is already getting heaps of this)

                        Compared to these things the backline is a breeze. I therefore agree with wolftone 57 and believe that the skills of someone like TDL are grossly underestimated.Kicking a bag of goals at any level is hard!
                        Oh man - now you are getting me all weepy and feeling sorry for all of those forwards whose toes I used to stand on, shorts I used to grab when they started a lead, arms I used to chop in marking and general scragging that I used to love. I now see the error of my ways.

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                        • Big Al
                          Veterans List
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 7007

                          Also add to that Hartijon, the difficulties in modern AFL footy of a forward who after everything you mention, has to ensure the defender doesn't get an easy passage out when the ball does hit the deck. No, forward play isn't easy at all.

                          After watching the reserves I'm firmly in the camp of playing TDL as soon as his match fitness allows.
                          ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

                          Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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                          • dimelb
                            pr. dim-melb; m not f
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 6889

                            Originally posted by Dosser
                            Oh man - now you are getting me all weepy and feeling sorry for all of those forwards whose toes I used to stand on, shorts I used to grab when they started a lead, arms I used to chop in marking and general scragging that I used to love. I now see the error of my ways.
                            What a catalogue of wickedness- you're lucky you're not seeing stars!
                            He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                            • Hartijon
                              On the Rookie List
                              • May 2008
                              • 1536

                              Originally posted by Dosser
                              Oh man - now you are getting me all weepy and feeling sorry for all of those forwards whose toes I used to stand on, shorts I used to grab when they started a lead, arms I used to chop in marking and general scragging that I used to love. I now see the error of my ways.
                              You were too kind Dosser! No kidney crusher with the knee after they had marked? No elbow in the guts just before the ball arrives and pretend you were going for the ball< ,No thumb crusher punch that somehow completely misses the ball(I still wear this scar!) and the coup de grace,the nose spreading coat hanger. Ah..those were the days!! one umpire,no video reviews. Don't you get sad just remembering how good it was back then???

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                              • Big Al
                                Veterans List
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 7007

                                Originally posted by Dosser
                                Oh man - now you are getting me all weepy and feeling sorry for all of those forwards whose toes I used to stand on, shorts I used to grab when they started a lead, arms I used to chop in marking and general scragging that I used to love. I now see the error of my ways.
                                That's gold!
                                ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

                                Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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