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  • Ludwig
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 9359

    The problem here is not so much what is going on this year, but rather what took place in 2009. The AFC agreed to give KT additional consideration in his contract by agreeing to trade him for a 2nd round pick once the current contract expires. The AFC was obliged to report this agreement to the AFL for approval. The AFC knowing that the AFL would not approve such an arrangement decided not to report it in order to keep Tippett for another 3 years, fearing he would leave if not for such an arrangement.The AFC defrauded the AFL by entering in such an arrangement and Tippett may be complicit if he conspired with the AFC to do so, but this is far from clear.

    It is fair to assume that some sanctions will be made against the AFC due to this arrangement. Tippett's penalty will depend on how complicit he was in the deception. It would seem that the responsibility for reporting contract information falls upon the club, not the player, so Tippett may fairly assume that he the AFC would follow all the rules and it was not his responsibility to do so. On the other hand, if he knew that Adelaide would not report this arrangement, he too could face sanctions.

    "Commercial value" can take into account many factors, not just what's fair in a straight up deal under ideal conditions. For example, your house may be worth a million dollars, but if everyone on the street is selling their house at the same time, 500 k may be commercial value under those circumstances. I don't think it's the pick 23 plus White for KT that is under scrutiny here and I think this would be commercial value under the circumstances, regardless of Tippett's contract, written or otherwise.

    The waters are very muddy indeed. The AFL acts in mysterious ways and it would be anyone's guess what will transpire from here.

    From our point of view, we have White and TDL looking for new homes with only a couple of days left in the trade period. We have an opportunity to upgrade our draft position as well. The Tippett deal has diverted our focus away from these matters. I think we should be looking to complete these trades, if possible, with whatever parties wishing to participate, and let the chips fall as they may with the Tippett deal. I think it's best to assume it's not going to happen, rather than be paralyzed with the possibility that it might.

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    • Reggi
      On the Rookie List
      • Jan 2003
      • 2718

      The AFL would have to be thinking What Other side deals do Adelaide have? Do they have side deals involving money and other players

      the humor thickens
      You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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      • Matimbo
        Warming the Bench
        • Apr 2009
        • 334

        Originally posted by erica
        I love this saga. It's so much more enjoyable than a soap opera. Just gets funnier and funnier.
        Yep ... Soap Opera ... Exactly what I was thinking. So I started wondering what might happen next episode ...

        - An identical Kurt twin brother surfaces claiming they have alternated playing games over the last 3 seasons, and that "all the good games were mine, not his"

        - Kurt gets shot and we are left hanging wondering "who shot KT?" (well, we know it was a Crows fan, but which one?)

        - Gina Rheinhart launches a takeover bid for the AFC and takes control of the board. After one board meeting, she realises it is futile and dumps all her shares at a huge loss

        - Another side agreement becomes public ... this one hands the deeds to all the oil wells over to Kurt if he spends a night in the Snowtown bank vault

        - Kurt is accidentally injected with too much Botox by his Hollywood plastic surgeon and ends up looking stunned regardless of the AFL's ruling on trade tampering

        - Michaelanglo Rucci lapses into a coma after eating crow but nobody notices any worsening of his reporting
        CIA Agent to Policeman: "Have you ever had anti-terrorist training?"
        Policeman: "Yes, I was married once."

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        • iigrover
          Warming the Bench
          • Sep 2005
          • 245

          Originally posted by barry
          Does anyone know whether we have to offload Jesse (on $300K) to be able to fit Tippet (on $800K + ) in our cap. ?
          Unlikely, as we gain about a $1m salary cap room from Bradshaw (which we've been carrying all year) + the delisting of Seaby + players on the veteran list.

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          • The Big Cat
            On the veteran's list
            • Apr 2006
            • 2355

            Originally posted by iigrover
            Unlikely, as we gain about a $1m salary cap room from Bradshaw (which we've been carrying all year) + the delisting of Seaby + players on the veteran list.
            Plus we must have factored in White's wage anyway. He's contracted and a trade was not assured.
            Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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            • Red
              Foreign Correspondent
              • Jan 2003
              • 651

              Originally posted by DST
              A gentlemans agreement is hard to prove, but I think you will find that this agreement is a little more formal than what is being said (ie it is in writing and signed byt the parties).

              Once the AFC owned up to it, the AFL are now obliged to act.

              What will be interesting is not the draft tampering issues, but whether Tippett accpeted a lower deal from the AFC 3 years ago in order to receive the off contract get out easy clause. If that is the case we are now in the area of TPP minipulation and that is a world of hurt the AFC will want to avoid.
              It occurred to me that the Crows dobbed themselves in to get out of honouring the agreement.

              They may be trying to save face by saying they did their best to get Tippett to his club of choice, but when the AFL 'found out' they blocked it. Question is whether it will blow up in their faces in terms of fines, losing draft picks, etc.

              I've never seen any club react so poorly to and badly mis-handle the loss of a player.
              To all those people who waited 72 years to see a South Melbourne/Sydney Swans premiership HERE IT IS!!

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              • GongSwan
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2009
                • 1362

                I can't see any reason for the AFC to come forward with this other than to spite Tippett and the Swans, I hope they lose a leg over it. If they can't have Tippett they'll ruin him sort of thing, bit like a jealous girlfriend/boyfriend, more fuel for teh soap opera theme
                You can't argue with a sick mind - Joe Walsh

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                • Ruck'n'Roll
                  Ego alta, ergo ictus
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 3990

                  Originally posted by Red
                  It occurred to me that the Crows dobbed themselves in to get out of honouring the agreement.
                  They may be trying to save face by saying they did their best to get Tippett to his club of choice, but when the AFL 'found out' they blocked it. Question is whether it will blow up in their faces in terms of fines, losing draft picks, etc.
                  It's possible, but doesn't tie in with the chronology.

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                  • tabs
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 24

                    Originally posted by Red
                    It occurred to me that the Crows dobbed themselves in to get out of honouring the agreement.

                    They may be trying to save face by saying they did their best to get Tippett to his club of choice, but when the AFL 'found out' they blocked it. Question is whether it will blow up in their faces in terms of fines, losing draft picks, etc.

                    I've never seen any club react so poorly to and badly mis-handle the loss of a player.
                    Nice call there Red, could possibly be the case but what would the Crows get out of it. They would lose Tippett and picks. I cant see the AFL blocking the trade but if Tipprtt went to the Swans for a pick and a player they might say no the trade is enough and then the Crows may lose that pick anyway!

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                    • Ludwig
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9359

                      I don't think the AFC bringing this matter up has anything to do with these current trade negotiations. They must have realised that if they were caught out without having informed the AFL first, the penalties involved would have been much worse. Now they can claim it was just an oversight and hope to receive some milder sanction. Someone down there must have scared the crap out of them and they decided to fess up rather than take the risk of this not coming to light, as this gentleman's agreement had already been widely reported. As time goes on it would become ever harder to claim that the 2009 contract terms were an error rather than tampering with the rules.

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                      • ernie koala
                        Senior Player
                        • May 2007
                        • 3251

                        Originally posted by Ludwig
                        The waters are very muddy indeed. The AFL acts in mysterious ways and it would be anyone's guess what will transpire from here.

                        From our point of view, we have White and TDL looking for new homes with only a couple of days left in the trade period. We have an opportunity to upgrade our draft position as well. The Tippett deal has diverted our focus away from these matters. I think we should be looking to complete these trades, if possible, with whatever parties wishing to participate, and let the chips fall as they may with the Tippett deal. I think it's best to assume it's not going to happen, rather than be paralyzed with the possibility that it might.
                        Couldn't agree more. Time to move on and leave the vaudeville act, that is the Crows, to dig their own hole.

                        I'm not sure Tippett is worth anywhere near the reported $1million a year anyway.

                        We should do the right thing by White and TDL and try to find them both a new home...And hopefully improve our draft position in the process.

                        If Tippett ends up falling though to us in the Draft, then fine. Otherwise we save $1m a year in our cap....which will be very handy down the track.
                        Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                        • Mug Punter
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 3325

                          Adelaide could indeed be in deep poop over this. Would love it if they lose Tippett for nothing AND get draft picks stripped off them as well.

                          Surely heads must roll over this one....

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                          • swansrob
                            Senior Player
                            • May 2009
                            • 1265

                            This is just a saga now
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                            • tabs
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 24

                              Sounds like all Crows trades are on hold so it will be interesting to see what happens to Tippett

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                              • Ludwig
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9359

                                The AFL should immediately sanction a deal where Tippett goes to Sydney for its second round pick (#45), as stipulated in the off-record agreement (which still may be binding in regards to Tippett and the AFC). And free up Sydney to trade any other players or picks, so neither Sydney nor Tippett are disadvantaged by Adelaide's failure to comply with AFL rules. Any sanctions against Adelaide, such as loss of draft picks, including the one they get from Sydney, can be determined after a more complete investigation.

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