Changes for Round 3 V The Crows

[DeadlyAkkuret]

I'd love B. Jack and Laidler to play, but have no idea who I'd drop.

[ScottH]

BJ would be the perfect replacement for Rohan, if he is not fit.
If Rohan is fit, I'd drop Bird or ROK and put BJ in. We need an X factor.

[aguy]

People are talking about Naismith being a potential selection, due to good form in the reserves.

He is on the rookie list. Does he need to be elevated to the senior list before he is selected? Is this an easy process for the club?

Yes he needs to be elevated. This is okay to do because Alex Johnson and tommy Walsh are on the long term injured list. So there are two spots for "temporary elevation" as I understand it

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BJ would be the perfect replacement for Rohan, if he is not fit.
If Rohan is fit, I'd drop Bird or ROK and put BJ in. We need an X factor.

We missed birds tagging and hardness across hb. Sadly it's ROK to go

[billyboob]

Maybe the coaching staff are over-thinking it a bit.

Memory is a bit shot, but did the Swans have any significant turnover or personnel rearrangement in various coaching depts. after Roos took the gig at the Dees?

It's possible it's not just the players who haven't had enough time to gel.

[Ludwig]

Didn't we lose Leigh Tudor, or was that the previous year?

[Meg]

Didn't we lose Leigh Tudor, or was that the previous year?

At end of last season Leigh Tudor went to North Melbourne and George Stone joined Paul Roos at Melbourne.

[Virgy]

Thought Kieren Jack was missing, haven't seen any comments regarding him. Also Nick Smith was not at his best, in my opinion....I feel we have real problems with the lack of run and also the toughness required.

[Flying South]

....I feel we have real problems with the lack of run and also the toughness required.

Hmmmm Interesting. Lack of toughness is not something we are renowned for. I think the run is there. Just not hard enough for long enough. Need some leaders to stand up and show the way. Provide some inspiration.

[aguy]

"SYDNEY SWANS
It will be interesting to see what coach John Longmire does with his side this week following its winless start to 2014. Lewis Roberts-Thomson (groin) is a strong chance of returning to face the Crows, with his replacement against Collingwood, Tom Derickx, failing to impress on his Swans debut. Ryan O'Keefe is again under the microscope after his quiet performance on Saturday in a high half-forward role. There is some pressure coming from the reserves, who opened their season with a big win over the Brisbane Lions. Dean Towers continues to stamp his claims for a first appearance for the seniors, while developing ruckman Sam Naismith and defender Shane Biggs were named among the best for the seconds and Brandon Jack could be in the mix for his first senior appearance of 2014. - James Dampney "

Above was on afl.com. Mentions all three who I think should come in. Towers Naismith and bj

[Ludwig]

Having been named BOG by the Swans (I would imagine by Crouch), is a good indication that he is going to be selected for his first game this week. Probably will be the sub. ROK to be dropped, with Bird back in the 21.

Laidler, having missed a mention, may not make it back in. But he's the sort of player that doesn't get attention.

Shaw may keep his spot, even though he had a forgettable game. But wouldn't mind seeing a replacement.

Hardest decision is who takes the place of Derickx, who I think needs to be dropped. I'll go along with those calling for a Naismith debut.

[Melbournehammer]

I really dont think derickx did that badly. When he was in the forward line he crashed packs and brought the ball to ground. it just so happened that we had nothing there who could actually usefully use such ball.

he was also more than serviceable in the ruck contests. he may not have hit much to advantage but then neither did pyke but he certainly wasnt beaten in the ruck contests. it would be harch to drop him on that one game because that would effectively say you were a failed experiment.

If people believe naismith was the answer then he probably should have got the nod first time

i'd keep shaw. losing him and we will have zero run from behind. that would guarantee a loss i think. neither richards, grundy or smith want teh ball to run off their opponent. they are all very accountable. you cant have four/five such players if you include both biggs and laidler both of whom will be worried about their spot.

this is actually a clear example of the lack of depth we have. it is all very well saying that injury free we will have an amazing team. we are not and no-one is ever injury free. and the ressies simply are not chock full of afl ready talent.

i would start bird. unlike many on this site i dont rate him very highly as he is a non damaging player by hand or foot. but we need some players who will compete for four quarters and he does that.

id start rok. i called it during the gws practice match that rok is gone but this might actually be a game he can play in. i would put him head to head with their slow old midfielder (whose name escapes me at the moment - used to play for the dees) and tell him to run with him all day and beat him.

i guess that means i'd keep most of the existing team. if rohan is injured id bring towers in. if not id think about bringing him in for cunningham. in either case id make few changes and just see where we are at. if we cant beat these guys (and actually i am not sure we can) i think it is pretty much season over anyway and we are playing for 10-14 on the ladder.

i have doubts about the whole club at the moment but not so much that i wouldnt give them one last game to repair the situation.

[Triple B]

Thought Kieren Jack was missing, haven't seen any comments regarding him. Also Nick Smith was not at his best, in my opinion....I feel we have real problems with the lack of run and also the toughness required.

I think most people just accept that Kizza was tagged out of it, tho certainly didn't look at his best physically. Most of us are wondering why he wasn't just sent to Pendles when he started to dominate. He wasn't getting a kick, so we had nothing to lose and plenty to gain by quelling Pendles influence.

I thought Smooch wasn't too bad. Elliot had his usual flashes, but you wouldn't say he was dominant...

[Ludwig]

I really dont think derickx did that badly. When he was in the forward line he crashed packs and brought the ball to ground. it just so happened that we had nothing there who could actually usefully use such ball.

he was also more than serviceable in the ruck contests. he may not have hit much to advantage but then neither did pyke but he certainly wasnt beaten in the ruck contests. it would be harch to drop him on that one game because that would effectively say you were a failed experiment.

If people believe naismith was the answer then he probably should have got the nod first time

i'd keep shaw. losing him and we will have zero run from behind. that would guarantee a loss i think. neither richards, grundy or smith want teh ball to run off their opponent. they are all very accountable. you cant have four/five such players if you include both biggs and laidler both of whom will be worried about their spot.

this is actually a clear example of the lack of depth we have. it is all very well saying that injury free we will have an amazing team. we are not and no-one is ever injury free. and the ressies simply are not chock full of afl ready talent.

i would start bird. unlike many on this site i dont rate him very highly as he is a non damaging player by hand or foot. but we need some players who will compete for four quarters and he does that.

id start rok. i called it during the gws practice match that rok is gone but this might actually be a game he can play in. i would put him head to head with their slow old midfielder (whose name escapes me at the moment - used to play for the dees) and tell him to run with him all day and beat him.

i guess that means i'd keep most of the existing team. if rohan is injured id bring towers in. if not id think about bringing him in for cunningham. in either case id make few changes and just see where we are at. if we cant beat these guys (and actually i am not sure we can) i think it is pretty much season over anyway and we are playing for 10-14 on the ladder.

i have doubts about the whole club at the moment but not so much that i wouldnt give them one last game to repair the situation.

Sorry, but I disagree with most your post this time Hammer.

TD was terrible. It's nice to be competitive, but you still have to do things that result in an advantage to your team and not the opposition. Maybe he gets an A for effort, for F for results.

I noticed that we seem to be using Jetta as an outlet just beyond the defensive 50, and McGlynn came up the ground to take a number of possessions around there as well. I don't think run out of defense is an issue. We just need to get that outlet pass quicker instead of bombing it to a contest. Even though Laidler is slow, he is a long and accurate kick and a stoic defender (not sure it's the best option, but one to consider as Adelaide don't have quick tall forwards).

Adelaide are not a quick side. Its been shown that if you keep Dangerfield under control, they are not going to beat you with speed. On the other hand, they are susceptible to being beaten by a quick hard running side, PA being a good example. ROK doesn't fit this criteria. I think Cunningham has done okay for a player with just a few games. He's quick and a good disposer of the ball, something we need. Usually kicks his goals as well.

If Rohan is fit, I think we should play him. He had 6 tackles in 3 qts of play last week, plus forced quick kicks several occasions. That's a good output for a forward. A quick forward line should work well against the Crows. Don't give Truck a player he can run with. Force them to move the ball quickly out of defence, because they are very error prone.

[Melbournehammer]

Sorry, but I disagree with most your post this time Hammer.

TD was terrible. It's nice to be competitive, but you still have to do things that result in an advantage to your team and not the opposition. Maybe he gets an A for effort, for F for results.

I noticed that we seem to be using Jetta as an outlet just beyond the defensive 50, and McGlynn came up the ground to take a number of possessions around there as well. I don't think run out of defense is an issue. We just need to get that outlet pass quicker instead of bombing it to a contest. Even though Laidler is slow, he is a long and accurate kick and a stoic defender (not sure it's the best option, but one to consider as Adelaide don't have quick tall forwards).

Adelaide are not a quick side. Its been shown that if you keep Dangerfield under control, they are not going to beat you with speed. On the other hand, they are susceptible to being beaten by a quick hard running side, PA being a good example. ROK doesn't fit this criteria. I think Cunningham has done okay for a player with just a few games. He's quick and a good disposer of the ball, something we need. Usually kicks his goals as well.

If Rohan is fit, I think we should play him. He had 6 tackles in 3 qts of play last week, plus forced quick kicks several occasions. That's a good output for a forward. A quick forward line should work well against the Crows. Don't give Truck a player he can run with. Force them to move the ball quickly out of defence, because they are very error prone.

No need to apologise. I don't think I convinced myself.

The only bit I strongly disagree with is the fast forward. Rutten will play on derickx, Pyke, Naismith, nankervis, etc. hence won't matter whether Rohan is there or not. Rohan, towers, Cunningham, McGlynn are interchangeable in this respect. The crows defense is a lot better than people think. I REALLY rate ports midfield and forwards, and the crows broke even at the back despite being smashed on the ball. Weight of numbers in the end did them in.

I think shaw is critical. We have to carry the ball further because it's what makes our game plan work. Parker, Mitchell, Kennedy, bird are slow. They can't break lines around the fifteen men in defensive fifty. I agree hitting jetta is great, but even that is limited. Where does he kick it to if everyone is back ?

We have to get more run from behind the ball not just in front. The in front has been great for slingshot, but everyone just sits in that now.

[Ludwig]

My idea was not to play a 2nd ruckman, although I am not against trying Naismith to see what happens. If Pyke can stay with Jacobs, that's enough. The backup only has to compete against either McKernon or Jenkins.

This will force the Crows to play Rutten and Talia on Buddy and Reid, and the one Rutten covers heads for space in the midfield. If you force Rutten into the midfield, they are dead meat.

Normally I wouldn't be worried about this game, because we are so much better ON PAPER but we really need to make a statement this game to put a halt to all the negativity coming from every direction.