COLA to be replaced by rent subsidy

[rojo]

Thanks Reggie. I have just caught up with things. Good on Andrew Ireland. I do so hope that in future every time someone relates a Swans' win to an exploitation of COLA, he or someone else again 'furiously' challenges it. That is until the AFL stands up as it should!

[Nico]

Everyone commentating on the Tippett deal seems not to know that we carried $400,000 for Daniel Bradshaw for 2 years, and that $400,000 just happened to come available when Tippett was recruited, leaving us only to find another $300,000; QED.

[ScottH]

For supposedly educated men, they all make some very uneducated comments.

[dimelb]

For supposedly educated men, they all make some very uneducated comments.

Bigotry trumps education, almost every time.

[Meg]

In interviews about COLA such as these with Gordon and Whateley, I wish the interviewers would ask them to explain exactly how they think the Swans are paying the money. The impression is always given that the Swans are cheating in some way but just how is always left vague. If they were forced into detail then it would be easier to show they were wrong.

By the way, early in this thread we were discussing the ambiguity of the report that the current COLA would be phased out over the next two years with existing contracts honoured going forward. From Ireland's interview it seems that what this means is that the Swans will have to honour the contracts by paying the COLA amount themselves from within the salary cap.

[Melbournehammer]

+1 to that

That ambulance chaser is the reason why people who die from one of the most malignant horrific types of cancer which were known about by James hardie industries for YEARS before they did anything about it actually receive compensation.

Also he isn't the Gordon of slater and Gordon - the Gordon was an raaf pilot who died during ww2 and who was a young lawyer in the firm before the war. He was at slaters for years after founding the western suburbs community legal centre as an undergraduate lawyer. He is no longer at slaters.

As for whateley - he has become an opinion writer like bolt and others. Facts are not critical to opinion and he likes to paint himself as the person whose opinion is based on the true reading of the code. He is a diviner as seen from his apparent understanding of the match review panel, and the asada investigation. Interestingly he still hasn't recovered from the hanners outcome and started the day with a discussion about how he and the mrp aren't seeing eye to eye at the moment.

His reaction to the Geelong game like many others I think missed the point of that game which is that any team can have a good night or a poor night but sustaining it is hard. The pies beat the saints by nearly 100 points the night after but no one has decried that result and we beat the crows by nearly 100 last year but couldn't sustain that.

I liked the sensible reaction of maclure - the swans dared to risk - a dare which with only the benefit of hindsight will the decision making be judged. But anyone else could have shipped out their lead ruckman, under performing forward and leading utility (he wasn't quite that articulate but said words to that effect) but they didn't. Whateley stuck his head in the ground.

[Matt80]

Everyone makes noise about Franklin and Tippett but we have many other A graders who are being paid below what Tom Scully, Nick Natanui and Daisy Thomas are making.

I doubt that A grade players such as Kieran Jack, Josh Kennedy, Jarrod Mcviegh, Daniel Hananbery, Nick Smith, Luke Parker and Ted Richards are making any where near what Tom Scully is making.

We probably get two of the above A-Graders for the price of Tom Scully. That reflects two realities:

- Good budgeting by the Swans.
- A desire by the above key A-Graders to not make big money the most vital driver in their career decision making..

[ernie koala]

One of Andrew Irelands' comments caught my attention.

He said Tippett and Franklin are only receiving $40k COLA this year...Yet they are being paid over $1m collectively in salary? So shouldn't their collective COLA be 9.8% of that?

So I assume this means they can distribute the 9.8%COLA anyway they like over the period of a contract.

For example; Buddies total COLA add on is $980k. But that doesn't mean 9.8 % of every years wage.

The Swans can give him a big chunk of the $980k in any one year, and keep his salary cap amount for that year to a minimum.

I'm just guessing at this based on the figures Ireland quoted. If this is so, in my eyes, that constitutes manipulation of the COLA. Not cheating, but clever manipulation.

Does anyone know for sure how it works?

[Zlatorog]

I believe that AFL is paying COLA not Sydney Swans and they have to agree with this arrangement( i.e. paying $980K upfront). I don't think AFL would do that because it would definitely created even bigger fuss in Melbourne if that was true.

[ernie koala]

I believe that AFL is paying COLA not Sydney Swans and they have to agree with this arrangement( i.e. paying $980K upfront). I don't think AFL would do that because it would definitely created even bigger fuss in Melbourne if that was true.

Then how is it that only $40k is being paid to Franklin and Tippett this year? That's less than 4% of their salaries for this year.

My understanding is that the AFL pay the Swans, and the Swans then pay the players. The AFL have later audited it.

Under the proposed new rent assistance, the AFL will pay the players directly.,

[annew]

In interviews about COLA such as these with Gordon and Whateley, I wish the interviewers would ask them to explain exactly how they think the Swans are paying the money. The impression is always given that the Swans are cheating in some way but just how is always left vague. If they were forced into detail then it would be easier to show they were wrong.

By the way, early in this thread we were discussing the ambiguity of the report that the current COLA would be phased out over the next two years with existing contracts honoured going forward. From Ireland's interview it seems that what this means is that the Swans will have to honour the contracts by paying the COLA amount themselves from within the salary cap.

I heard this too about the COLA and if true and Franklin and Tippett have back-ended contracts then most of their salary will be outside of the COLA as their salaries will increase as the COLA is gotten rid of. You just knew after Thursday night that the Melb press and clubs would jump up and down, cant believe that Sellars is the one person sticking up for Sydney. I liked Ireland's comment of that to attribute our win to COLA undermines the hard work of the rest of the team. Incidentally how do we know how the other clubs split their salary cap, if you want to pay 80% of your cap to one player and are able to retain players on the other 20% is that not each club's perogative. They are all just jealous and part of this is COLA and part is because their beloved game is being played a lot out of Melbourne now resulting in more travel etc for Vic clubs.

[Reggi]

Be interesting given clear accusations have been made that the AFL asks people to apologise AKA that other serial liar Tim Lane

Peter Gordon's response is on the Realfooty site

[Nico]

After Round 3 the media was celebrating that the Buddy deal was a failure. All the speculation was just how long would Buddy play and that the deal had doomed the Swans to bottom of the ladder status in years to come.

As long as he stays fit the deal is a corker.

Of course if we win flags with him playing, the media will forever under value the flags.

By the way; Hawks supporters are saying they need him back, after sending him on his way unceremoniously.

To me he has improved as a player in that he has adapted to a different game plan and his versatilty.

[Zlatorog]

Then how is it that only $40k is being paid to Franklin and Tippett this year? That's less than 4% of their salaries for this year.

My understanding is that the AFL pay the Swans, and the Swans then pay the players. The AFL have later audited it.

Under the proposed new rent assistance, the AFL will pay the players directly.,

I'm only saying if there was something in the contract that AFL didn't like they wouldn't approve it. I know that Tippo and Buddy are also getting extra bucks for promoting the club and AFL and don't need extra money from COLA. I don't know, I haven't seen the contracts so I'm speculating like everybody else.

[leeo]

One of Andrew Irelands' comments caught my attention.

He said Tippett and Franklin are only receiving $40k COLA this year...Yet they are being paid over $1m collectively in salary? So shouldn't their collective COLA be 9.8% of that?

So I assume this means they can distribute the 9.8%COLA anyway they like over the period of a contract.

For example; Buddies total COLA add on is $980k. But that doesn't mean 9.8 % of every years wage.

The Swans can give him a big chunk of the $980k in any one year, and keep his salary cap amount for that year to a minimum.

I'm just guessing at this based on the figures Ireland quoted. If this is so, in my eyes, that constitutes manipulation of the COLA. Not cheating, but clever manipulation.

Does anyone know for sure how it works?

I think it was on the swans site but I remember Ireland or Colless saying rookies and 1st years get paid more than 9.8%.