We've had enough McGuire!

[Cosmic Wizard]

People, just wait until next year when they are bottom and ask for a priority pick!

Beams and Lumumba are leaving and they don't have a forward line thanks to Jessie and Travis.

It will be beautiful!

[Doctor]

It's significant that Lynch, Robbo and Voss have all spoken out with opposing views to Eddie in the last few days.

[ShockOfHair]

Eddie has become a parody of himself. I wonder how his producers at SEN (?) will feel if he starts editorialising during the grand final. If he keeps on like this it's going to cost him.

[Mel_C]

Eddie has become a parody of himself. I wonder how his producers at SEN (?) will feel if he starts editorialising during the grand final. If he keeps on like this it's going to cost him.

He works for Triple M but I think he only does the breakfast program. I haven't heard him call the footy on the radio and I hope he doesn't because I can only listen to Triple M at the game!

[ernie koala]

2 or 3 weeks ago he was winning the PR battle, with his relentless attack on the Swans and their supposed unfair advantages and cheating.

Often using complete fabrication to back up his arguments. (eg: Saying the Swans voted against GWS joining the comp).

But as always with McGuire, even though he was getting away with such blatant untruths, he didn't know when to stop.

Thanks to his ego and blinding self importance, he thought he could get away with his BS for ever and a day.

Predictably, fair minded, sensible people have eventually got sick of the crap and decided to set things straight.....

Now the wave of opinion, based on actual facts, is decidedly opposed to his......And he's been exposed as the self interested, blustering fool he is.

In the meantime his Collywobble ship continues to take water....

As his club sinks, I expect he'll perform to the same standards as the Italian captain of the sunken ship in the Med.

I look forward to watching it all unfold.

[Melbournehammer]

It's significant that Lynch, Robbo and Voss have all spoken out with opposing views to Eddie in the last few days.

I have thought to myself that the legacy of those Brisbane teams was being put under the microscope by the attack so I had been hoping for them and the Scott brothers amongst others to at least defend us

Leigh Matthews is another that could assist tbh

[Mel_C]

Well Dermie just called us liars. He had to bring up COLA and he said he doesn't believe that we spread it over all players. Huddo and Robbo disagreed.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Dermott is a ******g ***t. Hope he's crying after a crushing Hawthorn loss today.

[bloodsbigot]

Well Dermie just called us liars. He had to bring up COLA and he said he doesn't believe that we spread it over all players. Huddo and Robbo disagreed.

Lying about what?? That useless piece of crap.

[Meg]

I put the following comment on a Roar article this week. It is long & detailed but I am so fed up by ignorant, lazy and malicious attacks such as one referred to above. Please let me know if you think I got anything wrong.

"It is very disappointing that this comment piece has been largely sidetracked into another COLA debate, with many misleading and inaccurate statements, when all AFL lovers should just be looking forward to a grand final involving the two best teams, both of which have earned their right to be there.

In particular it is frustrating that yet again some are saying that Sydney has an extra 10% in their salary cap and that this money allowed them to recruit Buddy Franklin. This is simply wrong.

Sydney has exactly the same salary cap and exactly the same access to Additional Service Agreements (ASAs) as every other club (except GWS and the Gold Coast which have larger caps during their developmental stages). Sydney is also subject to exactly the same rule in the use of these two capped amounts ? that they must pay a minimum of 95% and a maximum of 100% of these combined amounts to their list of players.

Sydney?s COLA is a separate amount of money funded by the AFL and distributed through a standard clause (written by an AFL lawyer) in every player?s contract. It is simply not possible to take the COLA fund and give it to one player as salary.

Some commentators here are arguing that the Swans have effectively cut the salary component in most contracts and used COLA to provide players with a total payment equal to the full amount they would have received without COLA, thereby ?saving? salary to pay Tippett and Franklin.

Firstly it is not possible to do this for draftees and rookies as their minimum salaries are set by law through the collective agreement with the AFL players association. Secondly it seems most unlikely that every player would accede to such an arrangement, particularly as they use agents to negotiate their contracts. And finally many contracts were already in place before Tippett and then Franklin were recruited and had been drawn up in the context of the requirement that the club pay out a set minimum of the total of salary cap and the ASA cap.

The salary cap rose from $8.787m in 2012 to $9.139m in 2013 to $9.632m in 2014, and the total ASA amount rose from $613,000 in 2012 to $852,000 in 2013 to $963,000 in 2014 (see p.62http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/CBA-2012-2016-FINAL.pdf).

These increases in themselves provided the Swans (and every other club) with a total additional amount of $591,000 which could be paid to players in 2013 (when Tippett was recruited) and a further total amount of $604,000 in 2014 (when Franklin was recruited).

As well the Swans cleared salary cap space by reducing their senior list to 38 players and for 2013 letting go six players (Seaby, Spangher, Dennis-Lane, Moore, Meredith, Gordon) while apart from Tippett, recruiting four lower paid draftees (the highest at pick 22) and upgrading a rookie. For 2014 they had two big retirements (Bolton and Mattner) and let go five other players (Mumford, White, Everitt, Armstrong, Lamb). Their ?ins? this year as well as Franklin were four draftees (the highest at pick 15) and two de-listed free agents, none of whom would be highly paid. The Swans? list management has also included tactical use of timing and length of contracts, additional service agreements and veteran listings.

It is legitimate to debate whether Sydney or any other club should have access to a COLA (although this debate is now largely redundant as the AFL has already said it is phasing it out over the next three years). It is not legitimate to say that Sydney has used COLA to recruit one or two super stars and thereby has an unfair advantage in Saturday?s grand final."

[Ludwig]

Meg, that's about as good and concise a statement on how things transpired as there could be. We should save this for posterity to be used whenever this subject arises; and perhaps sent to some of the muppets at SEN and other media outlets.

But trying to change people's minds about this is like trying to change someone's religion. Once they've got a particular story in their heads about how the world was created, it's pretty hard to change, regardless of the facts.

[Meg]

Yes I know most are not interested in the facts. (And I have concluded that most are innumerate). So I rarely bother to comment. But the pre-emptive strikes being made this week re COLA have really annoyed me.

By the way I have come to realise that we get a big advantage from the veteran listing rule which allows approx $113,000 of a veteran's salary to be paid outside the cap. The rule is available to all clubs but when and how many eligible players you have is largely a matter of luck. I think probably Geelong do as well or possibly better than the Swans from this. But none of the (ignorant) commentators ever mention this rule when talking about our salaries. And I dare say the Swans haven't wanted to make too much of this either or else someone will campaign to scrap this too!

[Ludwig]

I thought I would post this article here. It's one that we may have missed during earlier discussions:

Donald Sterling, Eddie McGuire, And The Real Face Of Racism | Junkee

[0918330512]

It has been delightfully quiet on the Eddie front lately. But next time he is having a go at our club & you'd like to raise an objection, try emailing him via JamTV Australia (a Mcaguire Media Company) ... there's always a chance they might pass on your message

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[JPK12]

He has his tentacles everywhere. He is just about a cooperate stooge as you can get with his wearing of the corporate uniform 24/7 and being on most boards.

There was an article about him being a new age feminist, I just see it as McGuire seizing on another corporate opportunity.