List changes and trade bait

[ernie koala]

Now with money and a late 2nd rounder at our disposal...Will we see an acquisition?

I'm still thinking Patful is a chance.

[Matt80]

Seems things can't get any better for the Hawks: GWS midfielder Jono O'Rourke picks Hawks as preferred club - AFL.com.au

Another good pick up for them.

I don't think the Hawks are going to be able to make this happen without trading a good premiership player.

Pick 18 won't cut it.

GWS could throw him into the preseason draft if they don't get the right deal and he will fall through to St Kilda or Melbourne. I don't think the salary terms offered by the Hawks (which he can nominate as his salary) are going to be outside what the Saints and Demons could match.

GWS should play hard with the player manager and the Hawks on this one.

[Bloodthirsty]

No surprise at all.... but this compensation system is utter tripe in its current form - at the will and mercy of the great overloads at AFL HQ.

Yes it's another thing I don't understand....How they can just make stuff up depending on who they want to do well. What a joke. Everything needs to be transparent & standardised, with a formula if possible.

[Ludwig]

AFL ?@AFL 50s51 seconds ago
The Swans? compensation for losing Malceski will be placed in the 2nd round, after the Swans pick in that round. The pick can be traded.

Although that pick now stands at #39, it is effectively a 'live' pick 35 given that 4 slots are committed to preselected players. It's in line with previous decisions (Dal Santo, Higgins).

I think this now settles the open issues regarding other player transfers. We have Membrey, Biggs, picks 39 and 58 to play with. I would be trying to hold on to #39 and target STK pick 22 in exchange for Membrey, Biggs and #58. Both players could walk right into the Saints lineup, so it should work for them and I think it works for us as well. There is barely any hope for us getting into the 1st round, and this is the next best thing.

With Biggs and Membrey likely to be leaving, it shores up the probability that Dan Robinson will get another year, probably on the rookie list. This fits into the strategy of holding on to local talent and letting the others go. It's a smart strategy in the long run. Dan showed a lot of versatility last season. He was given big tagging roles toward the end of the season and did very well. He's no Isaac Heeney, but he's a good all around player that does a lot of things well.

[Matt80]

[QUOTE=ernie koala;659461]Now with money and a late 2nd rounder at our disposal...Will we see an acquisition?

Padfull turns 30 before the start of 2015. I think it's two years too late.

I would much rather take a punt on Shoenmakers or Robbie Tarrant with that pick.

[Matt80]

Although that pick now stands at #39, it is effectively a 'live' pick 35 given that 4 slots are committed to preselected players. It's in line with previous decisions (Dal Santo, Higgins).

I think this now settles the open issues regarding other player transfers. We have Membrey, Biggs, picks 39 and 58 to play with. I would be trying to hold on to #39 and target STK pick 22 in exchange for Membrey, Biggs and #58. Both players could walk right into the Saints lineup, so it should work for them and I think it works for us as well. There is barely any hope for us getting into the 1st round, and this is the next best thing.

With Biggs and Membrey likely to be leaving, it shores up the probability that Dan Robinson will get another year, probably on the rookie list. This fits into the strategy of holding on to local talent and letting the others go. It's a smart strategy in the long run. Dan showed a lot of versatility last season. He was given big tagging roles toward the end of the season and did very well. He's no Isaac Heeney, but he's a good all around player that does a lot of things well.

Great post Ludwig.

If we managed to get pick 21 and kept 39, would you select two more live players in the draft?

That would make 5 players taken in the draft and we only have two vacancies remaining (Lloyd and Richards upgrade).

There would be no room for delisted free agents.

After taking 4 players last year and 5 players this year, our list profile would be quite young and inexperienced.

[Ludwig]

I like Patfull, but he doesn't provide anything we really need. He's a clever and solid defender, but not a key defender, nor a rebounding defender. He offers something very similar to Laidler.

I don't think we need to chase anyone this trade period. I would be content with 2 live 2nd round draft picks and the 3 academy kids, plus whatever KB can dig up for the rookie draft, which has been very rewarding for us in the past.

We lost one player from our GF team and we have lots of talent on our list that couldn't make that team. We just need to improve as a team and work better together as a unit. The competition will be tough next year with Hawthorn, Port and Geelong all making improvements to their lists.

[mcs]

[QUOTE=Matt80;659466]

Now with money and a late 2nd rounder at our disposal...Will we see an acquisition?

Padfull turns 30 before the start of 2015. I think it's two years too late.

I would much rather take a punt on Shoenmakers or Robbie Tarrant with that pick.

I thought Schoenmakers was a bad suggestion, till someone suggested Robbie Tarrant

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Yes it's another thing I don't understand....How they can just make stuff up depending on who they want to do well. What a joke. Everything needs to be transparent & standardised, with a formula if possible.

That's the AFL for you though - why do it transparently, when you can do a half assed hatchet job instead. Only have to look at their consistent refusal to confirm or deny how the COLA was being applied.

[troyjones2525]

I would package pick 39 with Membrey and hope the saints will part with their pick 22. I have my doubts they will considering they have all the leverage with the first pick in the pre-season draft. I'm not sure if they have any interest in Biggs but if they do then the trade proposal from Ludwig would be a much better option for us but again who knows if they'll bite. We should be able to find a good quality young prospect with pick 22 though if we can get our hands on it!

[Ampersand]

My first reaction to Hawthorn's trade boon thus far has been one of annoyance but it is interesting to compare the two lists over 30 years of age:

HAWKS
B Lake
S Mitchell
S Burgoyne
B Sewell
J Gibson
D Hale
L Hodge

SWANS
A Goodes
R Shaw
T Richards
M Pyke

I'd expect most of these players to be done by the end of 2016 and Hawthorn will have a lot more key talent going out than they are going to be able to bring in.

[Dosser]

My first reaction to Hawthorn's trade boon thus far has been one of annoyance but it is interesting to compare the two lists over 30 years of age:

HAWKS
B Lake
S Mitchell
S Burgoyne
B Sewell
J Gibson
D Hale
L Hodge

SWANS
A Goodes
R Shaw
T Richards
M Pyke

I'd expect most of these players to be done by the end of 2016 and Hawthorn will have a lot more key talent going out than they are going to be able to bring in.

I thought I saw that Sewell had already announced his retirement.

[Matt80]

My first reaction to Hawthorn's trade boon thus far has been one of annoyance but it is interesting to compare the two lists over 30 years of age:

HAWKS
B Lake
S Mitchell
S Burgoyne
B Sewell
J Gibson
D Hale
L Hodge

SWANS
A Goodes
R Shaw
T Richards
M Pyke

I'd expect most of these players to be done by the end of 2016 and Hawthorn will have a lot more key talent going out than they are going to be able to bring in.

Apart from Sewell and Hale those over 30s are the Hawks key players. Our 4 over 30s are not in our top six players.

[Ludwig]

If we managed to get pick 21 and kept 39, would you select two more live players in the draft?

That would make 5 players taken in the draft and we only have two vacancies remaining (Lloyd and Richards upgrade).

There would be no room for delisted free agents.

After taking 4 players last year and 5 players this year, our list profile would be quite young and inexperienced.

If you have 2 live 2nd round picks you have to be crazy not to use them. I don't see any need to pick up any delisted free agents. Most are depth players and we really don't need any more of those. We got Hanners at pick 30 and Parker at 40.

The primary list numbers are not such a problem. We have 7 primary list players going out. Coming in are the 3 academy boys, 2 live ND picks and upgrades for Richards and Lloyd. I am still not 100% certain, but I could not find anything in the AFL rules limiting the number of 3rd round rookies, so Naismith and Robinson can both stay on the rookie list if true.

There are still other options on this part of the list management. Marsh can be delisted. I have mentioned before that I see nothing insulting to AJ if we delisted him and then took him onto our rookie list next year, which seems certain to be a rehab year. And given that the primary list total that we are targeting is at 38, we still have the option of adding 1 or 2 more if we want; it only has some salary cap implications.

As for experience, along with Hawthorn we have the 2 oldest lists in the AFL and the teams we both fielded on GF day were of the same average age.

[Go Swannies]

The word from Horse:
Shaw to play on as Swans get ready to cover Malceski departure - AFL.com.au

[Matt80]

If you have 2 live 2nd round picks you have to be crazy not to use them. I don't see any need to pick up any delisted free agents. Most are depth players and we really don't need any more of those. We got Hanners at pick 30 and Parker at 40.

The primary list numbers are not such a problem. We have 7 primary list players going out. Coming in are the 3 academy boys, 2 live ND picks and upgrades for Richards and Lloyd. I am still not 100% certain, but I could not find anything in the AFL rules limiting the number of 3rd round rookies, so Naismith and Robinson can both stay on the rookie list if true.

There are still other options on this part of the list management. Marsh can be delisted. I have mentioned before that I see nothing insulting to AJ if we delisted him and then took him onto our rookie list next year, which seems certain to be a rehab year. And given that the primary list total that we are targeting is at 38, we still have the option of adding 1 or 2 more if we want; it only has some salary cap implications.

As for experience, along with Hawthorn we have the 2 oldest lists in the AFL and the teams we both fielded on GF day were of the same average age.

I was surprised that Marsh survived the chop as I was when Lockyear survived last year. What does the club see in Marsh apart from being first in line for the 2015 departure lounge?