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  • sprite
    Regular in the Side
    • Jan 2003
    • 813

    Originally posted by barry
    So no one is with me in resurrecting the "McHack" nickname ?

    Barry, FFS the guy is captain respected by other leaders and yet you seem to have greater insight and knowledge.

    Every player has games where they don't meet expectations ( their own, coaches or ours), I'm pretty sure Macca has more than enough credits.
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    • RogueSwan
      McVeigh for Brownlow
      • Apr 2003
      • 4602

      Originally posted by barry
      So no one is with me in resurrecting the "McHack" nickname ?

      AnnieH might be your only ally in this debate? But even then I think she says it more out of habit than actual meaning.[emoji4]
      "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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      • graemed
        Swans2win
        • Jan 2003
        • 410

        Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
        6 young guns and i know people are not sold on BJ bur we all will be after 2016 !!!!!
        I agree that this year may very well see a change in perception for those doubting the junior Jack. He has clearly bulked up and appears to have lost none of his speed. He's always been handy around goals although his set shots were patchy but his determination and ball sense are very closely honed.
        Hewitt is another I feel may break through this year. I know a lot is being made of the Mills, Heeney combination and on the evidence justifiably but I remember how well George played against stiff opposition last year and usually against the odds to a losing ruck.
        I would like to see Mills earn his place through the grades and BJ and George rewarded for their tireless supporting roles. If they don't shape up fair enough but I believe they may surprise many observers when given the opportunity to play with the seniors.
        Oh yeah my team:
        Backs:
        Smith, Richards, Laidler, Rampe, Grundy, Jones, Talia, McVeigh
        Mids:
        Hanabery, Kennedy, B Jack, K Jack, Parker, Hewitt, Mitchell, Sinclair, Tippett
        Forwards:
        Reid, Towers, Franklin, Heeney, Mills, McGlynn, Nankervis

        As you can see I also do not think it is a good idea to limit our thinking to 22

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        • Beerman
          Regular in the Side
          • Oct 2010
          • 823

          I think Jones will be important for us down the back and I want to like him but his attitude worries me. He's a dead ringer for Barry Hall at his most aggro and has given away some bad free kicks and made stupid blunders because he wasn't in control of himself.

          Hopefully now that he's a bit more of a regular in the side he's settled down a bit or someone will pull him aside and have a little chat. Perhaps he should watch some old footage of ROK - he used to get some shocking decisions against him and never said anything just stood the mark and got on with the game.

          Our on-ball skills are definitely an issue - we rely on a long string of handballs to get the ball outside to someone who can spend a minute or two lining up a pass to our forward line. Against high pressure sides it breaks down too much. We need someone who can break out of a pack and use the ball well by foot under pressure. That's what makes players like Goodes legends of the game.

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          • RogueSwan
            McVeigh for Brownlow
            • Apr 2003
            • 4602

            Originally posted by Beerman
            ...

            Hopefully now that he's a bit more of a regular in the side he's settled down a bit or someone will pull him aside and have a little chat. ...
            Cap'n Kirk?

            Originally posted by Beerman
            ...
            Against high pressure sides it breaks down too much. We need someone who can break out of a pack and use the ball well by foot under pressure.
            Hopefully Kizza can get back to his best. A couple of years ago, when he wasn't under an "injury cloud", he could win the ball and run it to the outside for a kick into the F50. Parker can also to do this but is he allowed to? Maybe if Rampe gets a run through the midfield his bigger body may help him run the ball inside out.
            That being said, when we do string our handballs together the team looks great, but as Beerman alluded to, we need another option when the handballs break down.
            Last edited by RogueSwan; 2 January 2016, 12:29 PM.
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            • snajik
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2003
              • 1115

              I seem to recall our best win of the season - beating Hawthorn at the MCG - was pretty much attributable to McVeigh moving to FF in the final quarter and kicking some crucial goals. I see no evidence that he remains anything other than a very good footballer.
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              • churry
                Warming the Bench
                • Mar 2014
                • 238

                Originally posted by snajik
                I seem to recall our best win of the season - beating Hawthorn at the MCG - was pretty much attributable to McVeigh moving to FF in the final quarter and kicking some crucial goals. I see no evidence that he remains anything other than a very good footballer.
                Was so influential and inspiring to watch. I think he also setup Parker for a goal. He may spend a lot more time up forward this year and hopefully we see plenty of performances like that ?
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                • Mountain Man
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 910

                  Backs:
                  Smith, Richards, Laidler, Rampe, Grundy, Jones, Talia, McVeigh
                  Mids:
                  Hanabery, Kennedy, B Jack, K Jack, Parker, Hewitt, Mitchell, Sinclair, Tippett
                  Forwards:
                  Reid, Towers, Franklin, Heeney, Mills, McGlynn, Nankervis


                  IMHO the STRUCTURE for a forward line would be better if:

                  * Tippett and Sinclair alternate between rucking and in-the-square full forward. Both can take decent contested marks, and would always be an option for a long ball. Hopefully they could play a long time on the ground. I think Nankervis is currently not in the best 22 (or 24)
                  * I think Rohan is a better bet than McGlynn. With he and Franklin roaming around the wing/forward pockets, they can both score goals or send it long to Tippett/Sinclair
                  * Heeney and Mills would hopefully be the small forwards - capable of marking in their own right or front-and-centre in the goal square. Resting mids such as Parker BJ ans Keiran (plus McVeigh) are bonuses.
                  * I see Reid and Towers are the swingmen/wingmen linking backs and forwards with know ability to take marks and move it on or rum forward to kink goals.

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                  "known" ability no "no' ability!!

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                  run forward to kick!!!

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                  • graemed
                    Swans2win
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 410

                    Thanks mountain man definitely missed out with Rohan. I see Reid and Rohan as very different but important components in the forwards.
                    Reid plays best when he plays from CHF but unlike Franklin is a marking target for those downfield, I see Franklin playing from much deeper and running to create his own world of chaos. I remember Rohan in the time before his injury, playing from the goal square, he was devastating for those first four or so games. Unstoppable as a match up.
                    Towers possess speed, a leap and grit. He was asked to stand up against Freo and before that, he willing accepted every challenge and has come back this season fitter and sharper.
                    Heeney is a proven clutch player and provided he can remain fit will undoubtedly be effective as a midfield or forward, Mills is unproven but if his self-possession at training is any indication will make the transition to senior football sooner rather than later.
                    So that means three talls, Reid, Franklin, Rohan, three smaller forwards Towers, Heeney, Mills, then you have to make space for either Sinclair or Tippett, as talls and Parker, the Jacks and Mitchell and Kennedy unless you use them across the middle and rotate off the bench.
                    Interesting problems when you remember how Hawthorn destroy us with their run out of defence.

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                    • RogueSwan
                      McVeigh for Brownlow
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 4602

                      Originally posted by graemed
                      ...So that means three talls, Reid, Franklin, Rohan, three smaller forwards Towers, Heeney, Mills, ...
                      Ummmmm, Rohan is listed as 1.88 and Towers 1.89.
                      Seniors
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                      • graemed
                        Swans2win
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 410

                        Thanks for the update I always thought Rohan was taller but I recall that Towers carried the ruck in the second half against Richmond in 2014 prior to the finals.
                        I guess that means four talls and two smalls again.

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                        • Conor_Dillon
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 1224

                          Originally posted by graemed
                          Thanks for the update I always thought Rohan was taller but I recall that Towers carried the ruck in the second half against Richmond in 2014 prior to the finals.
                          I guess that means four talls and two smalls again.
                          Tower's recorded one of the best ever vertical leaps at the draft combine so that's probably why they don't mind chucking him in the ruck!
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                          • wolftone57
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 5861

                            Originally posted by Scottee
                            707 -are you kidding?
                            Yes I was also confounded by that one. Macca is a highly skilled player. It is just some of his decision making under pressure that is worrisome.

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                            • wolftone57
                              Veterans List
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 5861

                              Originally posted by Markus26
                              I like the back six along with McVeigh and Jones, but I disagree with your estimation of McVeigh and Smith (like others I see on here). I don't think Smooch had a bad year. Didn't he end up representing Australia against Ireland? If he had a poor one, he would hardly get a call up. And McVeigh??? Have to agree with Rogueswan on this one. Play him anywhere and he'll regularly beat his opponent (except in the ruck!). Shaw was an offender with his disposal for me. But I would overlook that due to his dash and willingness to take on the opposition.

                              Smooch did not have a particularly good year. Very average by his high standards. That is understandable as he battled hamstring problems most of the year and I think that may have affected his game.

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                              • wolftone57
                                Veterans List
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 5861

                                Originally posted by RogueSwan
                                Shaw, Rampe, Richards, Smooch? All of them had poor one-on-one's at various times through the season. From my less than stellar memory Reg had one of his best season's and was rarely beaten.
                                Reg was a rock. He was wonderful. He is much maligned here and other boards but I think Reg has had the best year so far for the club.

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