2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[Ludwig]

Ludwig will have fun with this:

"Swans Head of Football Tom Harley says it?s great to have Towers on board for another two years." .... "He adds a point of difference to our team and has the ability to impact the game in a number of ways."

Yes!!!

I've got a new whipping boy. He's not in the class of Tom Derickx, but he'll do.

Now that Harry Cunningham has lost both his housemates, Dean can move in and they practice tackling each other in their spare time. Nico can watch, for quality control purposes only.

That aside, I don't mind signing Towers. After seeing what happened to XR, he probably was happy to have a job. I think he makes a good depth player now that he's 26. He's the forward line equivalent to what Jeremy Laidler is to defence.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I wanted X to stay.......If Buddy and Reid are out injured we really need an emerging tall forward like X.......we don't play a high uncontested game plan like the Hawks which is less key player dependant

I wanted Towers to stay also as we need him in particular for certain games and match ups.......especially when we have a few injuries strike.........we are very reliant on only a few players in our squad who can play outside mid rotation

oh well

1 out of 2 aint bad

[Ludwig]

I think that the main thing that I'm learning from all the phantom drafts, is that the more I read, the more confused I get. Though, there seems to be some sort of consensus, that we need somebody somebody with pace and kicking skills. And that it seems likely, that we'll be able to take someone matching that description at pick 9.
In regards to a few people mentioning Jack Fitzpatrick, I think that it would be a reasonable move, to use a low draft pick to increase our ruck depth. He seems to have some skills and pace, is only 25 and we wouldn't have to fork over too high a salary.

Everyone wants players with pace and kicking skills, so that doesn't really tell you much. I suppose it implies 'rather than contested ball winners.'

There must be a reason why Hawthorn delisted Fitzpatrick even though Ceglar will miss the year with an ACL. If anyone needs another ruckman, it's Hawthorn. I think you save your senior spots for players you believe will make your best 22 in due course. Depth players are a dime a dozen.

I would look to use pick 49 for a developing ruckman, either Tony Olango or Darcy Cameron from the WAFL. There are probably others as well.

I can't see us taking Taranto. He's a great player but he's not a great kick which is what we need. We need someone who is an excellent kick and/or has excellent speed.

I thought kicking was one of his strengths. He has a good all around game, like Heeney, or likely top 2 pick Hugh McCluggage in the current draft. If you have the time, see the under 18 all star match that took place the day before the GF on YouTube. His field kicking and goal kicking stood out.

[wolftone57]

Re X, there were an short interview piece on the AFL website a few months ago with X where he talks about some tough conversations/situations with Shaw and other coaches who were trying to get the best out of him. I got the gist from that article that he was reluctant/resistant to what Shaw wanted to try (moving him to offence?) and my conclusion (rightly or wrongly) is that this might have damaged his relationship/reputation with some of the coaching staff by appearing to be uncooperative when he was looking to be running out of chances to prove he could make it as a senior player.

If he was resistant to going forward, he would be the first in the history of the game I reckon, then he's an idiot. He wasn't exactly burning as a backman. Aliir was leaps and bounds in front of him. Davis too. Ax a forward on the other hand he is pretty handy. So if he is carrying a grudge over that I can't see any club wanting him as a backman. He is reliable but lazy at times. His decision making is very suspect and he has major brain fades, see the game where he was all on his own running toward goal then decided to have a picnic lunch and get tackled HB. so I don't think anyone will pick him up if that is the case, VFL or SANFL here he comes.

[S.S. Bleeder]

I thought kicking was one of his strengths. He has a good all around game, like Heeney, or likely top 2 pick Hugh McCluggage in the current draft. If you have the time, see the under 18 all star match that took place the day before the GF on YouTube. His field kicking and goal kicking stood out.

You might be right. I've been going by the reviews on him in the media. Callum Twomey wrote; "Taranto is a solid kick without being a terrific one. His kicking efficiency at TAC Cup level this year was 54 per cent, which isn't at the level of other top-line midfielders. His efficiency was slightly better at 65 per cent in four matches for Vic Metro. Some recruiters have wondered whether he can fumble a bit too much at ground level and questioned his speed, but he ran a three-second flat 20-metre sprint at TAC Cup testing day earlier in the year to show that's not too much of a worry. He didn't test at this month's NAB AFL Draft Combine after injuring his hamstring earlier that week training for the four-day screening at Etihad Stadium."

I'd love to see us take Logue with our first pick. He can play anywhere and with him and AA on our half back line we would have great counter attack and hopefully catch the opposition out of position. Our mids and forwards need this.

I'd like us to concentrate on foot skills and speed for the next two picks. Going by the AFL draft pool page the following have those abilities (in alphabetical order); Shai Bolton, Oliver Florent, Jordan Gallucci, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Josh Rotham, Jack Scrimshaw, Jy Simpkin, Daniel Venebles, Alex Villis and Alex Witherdon. Gallucci in particular has the ability to evade opponents in tight contests and run out of packs and deliver the ball onto a teammates chest. Petrevski-Seton is good but is inconsistent and may want to go home.

Villis is a player that could slip to our third pick which would be handy. Scrimshaw, Witherdon and Rotham are good but I wouldn't take them if we got Logue.

[Aprilbr]

2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

I'm a little disappointed to see X go as I liked his athleticism which reminded me a bit of Gunston albeit not as talented.

I know Barry Mitchell personally and for what it's worth the Hawthorn offer to his son was more than $100k per annum higher than what the Swans could pay. Gold Coast offered even more than the Hawks but Tom was not keen on going there. I think most people would see that difference as a fair reason to change clubs.


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[dejavoodoo44]

Yes!!!

I've got a new whipping boy. He's not in the class of Tom Derickx, but he'll do.

Now that Harry Cunningham has lost both his housemates, Dean can move in and they practice tackling each other in their spare time. Nico can watch, for quality control purposes only.

That aside, I don't mind signing Towers. After seeing what happened to XR, he probably was happy to have a job. I think he makes a good depth player now that he's 26. He's the forward line equivalent to what Jeremy Laidler is to defence.

If you want a new whipping boy, Tom Lee has just been delisted by the Saints. Ruckman pace, but without ruckman size.

[Ludwig]

I'd love to see us take Logue with our first pick. He can play anywhere and with him and AA on our half back line we would have great counter attack and hopefully catch the opposition out of position.

I'm hoping for this outcome as well. Taranto being available makes it a hard call and in the back of my mind hope he isn't there, as I suspect he will go earlier. I like Gallucci as our 2nd pick, especially if we take Logue with our first. Gallucci's high marking ability is something special. It's like having a 2 mtr midfielder running on the wing. He has a good disposal as well and isn't afraid to get his shorts dirty.

[Ludwig]

If you want a new whipping boy, Tom Lee has just been delisted by the Saints. Ruckman pace, but without ruckman size.

If Lee had been on the Swans, Tom Derickx would have gotten a reprieve.

Eek!! The thought of Tom Lee on the Swans makes me cringe.

[wolftone57]

I wonder if there's a DFA from another club that the Swans have their eye on. I wouldn't mind them looking at someone like Clancee Pearce from Freo. I didn't follow Freo's fortunes closely enough this year to know why he fell out of favour, but he's not that old and is capable of adding some grunt and aggro to the backline. He probably wouldn't slot into the best 22 but could be very handy as a player just outside the best 22 (especially if Mills is expected to graduate into the midfield as early as 2017).

What the hell is a DFA? The Dead Footballers Association? Clancy played Half Back Flank (HBF) as far as I could see. Otherwise it would be an attacking half back (AHB) but still an HBFer. I think the use of American positional names, rugby names or Soccer names are a blight on our conversations as there is no such thing in Australian rules. Our game is unique stop trying to turn it into something that resembles Gridiron, Soccer or Rugby. Go to the rules of the game and 'Learn Australian rules' videos. The positions are very clear there.

I'm sorry if this offends you Liz but it is a huge bugbear of mine.

[wolftone57]

I'm guessing he has an offer from a Melbourne club

His manager put him up for trade in the trading period without any interest. stupid manager. stupid X. If there was no interest then I can't see a full contract for him now. I think a Rookie list somewhere is the best he can expect now. I believe he pissed off the footy department and the coaches by getting a little ahead of himself. Hannas tweeted it best I think when X nominated for a trade.

[wolftone57]

The one that really stuns me is Abaina; after all the hype over his performances in the ressies, will he be relisted after all?

This stuns me too because I thought he was developing nicely but I think another year on the Rookie list would be his third. He will get interest from teams lower on the ladder I have no doubt.

[dejavoodoo44]

If Lee had been on the Swans, Tom Derickx would have gotten a reprieve.

Eek!! The thought of Tom Lee on the Swans makes me cringe.

Yes, you say that now: but surely it would give you extra motivation to tune into NEAFL games?

[dejavoodoo44]

What the hell is a DFA? The Dead Footballers Association? Clancy played Half Back Flank (HBF) as far as I could see. Otherwise it would be an attacking half back (AHB) but still an HBFer. I think the use of American positional names, rugby names or Soccer names are a blight on our conversations as there is no such thing in Australian rules. Our game is unique stop trying to turn it into something that resembles Gridiron, Soccer or Rugby. Go to the rules of the game and 'Learn Australian rules' videos. The positions are very clear there.

I'm sorry if this offends you Liz but it is a huge bugbear of mine.

Well, somebody is going to do it, so it might as well be me. But do try to keep in mind, that I'm not trying to be patronizing. DFA = Delisted Free Agent.

[Ludwig]

What the hell is a DFA? The Dead Footballers Association? Clancy played Half Back Flank (HBF) as far as I could see. Otherwise it would be an attacking half back (AHB) but still an HBFer. I think the use of American positional names, rugby names or Soccer names are a blight on our conversations as there is no such thing in Australian rules. Our game is unique stop trying to turn it into something that resembles Gridiron, Soccer or Rugby. Go to the rules of the game and 'Learn Australian rules' videos. The positions are very clear there.

I'm sorry if this offends you Liz but it is a huge bugbear of mine.

DFA stands for Delisted Free Agent. It's a common Indonesian Backgammon acronym you may not be familiar with. As long as you're up to date with the Australian footy acronyms you'll be okay. Shame on Liz for tricking you like that.

This stuns me too because I thought he was developing nicely but I think another year on the Rookie
list would be his third. He will get interest from teams lower on the ladder I have no doubt.

Davis would have been been a 3rd year rookie except for the fact he was never a 1st year rookie, nor a 2nd year rookie. One of the problems of being on the primary list is that it's making you ineligible to be a 3rd year rookie.

Davis was an 'unforced' cut. I think other clubs would be concerned about the reasons why.