2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[Ludwig]

Pick 9 full of intrigue.

Also it appears GWS will be pinged a pick or two for the distasteful Whitfield incident, could it be pick 2? Can only hope, but then again, are the VFL likely to make an example of their love child GWS??

I think it will more likely be picks 15 and 37, leaving them with enough value points to take Setterfield and a pick in the 20s before going into deficit. It puts several of their academy players into the general draft pool, depending on where they are bid for. I commented that I thought they may have to pass on Perryman, who is a likely 1st round bid.

The interesting thing for us is that if Tim English get taken by Freo at pick 7, which is widely expected, it will almost certainly leave one of Taranto, Brodie or SPS available at our 1st pick. It would be hard to pass on any of them, although I still see Logue as the default pick for us.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Pick 9 full of intrigue.

Also it appears GWS will be pinged a pick or two for the distasteful Whitfield incident, could it be pick 2? Can only hope, but then again, are the VFL likely to make an example of their love child GWS??

It won't be pick 2 because they traded that pick in.

[Ludwig]

Toby Nankervis should be a much improved player for Richmond since he's grown a third arm. I can see how it can be useful fending off in a marking contest. I think this is fairly common with Tasmanians.

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[Auntie.Gerald]

no louge ?

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[Ludwig]

no louge ?

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Logue only starting playing regular footy mid 2015 and you don't get many Champion Data points playing as a key defender. The list a fairly good reflection of the talent in this year's draft and the order is not bad, but there are a fair few anomalies as well.

[Dan]

Luke Ryan sounds like Dean Towers when we drafted him. Light, uncontested half back, pretty quick and alright skills

[bloodspirit]

Another phantom draft: https://afldraftcentral.com.au/2016/...draft-central/
They have us taking Jack Graham. I don't think we'd be interested but it would be romantic to have a Jack Graham at the club again.

This is a very ambitious effort from the crew at Draft Central - attempting an entire phantom draft and doing it more than a month out! Good on them for having a go. I would be very happy with Scrimshaw, Mutch and Graham at those picks - not so sure about Ryan. Really feels like we can't go wrong with Pick 9 (but this is probably being a bit too rosy-eyed). Mutch and Graham both rated top-22 by Champion data. Mutch a NSW product, which helps.

On a separate drafting point, if by any chance SPS were available at pick 9, I think we should seriously consider him. I think as a young Indigenous man, his relationship with Franklin would be critical. And this might very well come down to their kinship relationship and so I hope the Swans recruiters factor this in. I've never heard any recruiter discuss this factor but surely they must be alive to it? (Incidentally, I have also wondered if that explained why Jetts was so close to Goodsey but not, apparently, to Buddy.) If that augured well and we were satisfied in interviews that SPS could and would make a good go of it here in Sydney, then his talent makes him near irresistible.

Perryman also deserves serious consideration, especially as local talent, and possibly if GWS are stripped of draft picks they may be less willing/able to match a bid, especially if they've had to shell out for Setterfield and want to hang on to some cheaper (better value?) academy talent as well, like Macreadie, Sproule, Cumming, Mutch etc.

[crackedactor]

According to the Herald Sun , the two players we are chasing with our pick nine are Logue and Simpkin.

[S.S. Bleeder]

According to the Herald Sun , the two players we are chasing with our pick nine are Logue and Simpkin.

I've been in the Logue camp for months. Very similar to AA, maybe a little better. Having those two in our backline will greatly assist our ability to rebound and make it dynamic and unpredictable. I was also thinking that we would be able to get a skilled outside midfielder (namely Simpkin or Florent) with our pick 19 but it now seems likely that both of these players will be gone by then. I've now moved over to the Simpkin camp in the belief that a player such as Simpkin is too good an opportunity to pass up, especially considering that a skilled outside mid is our strongest need.

[AnnieH]

I've been in the Logue camp for months. Very similar to AA, maybe a little better. Having those two in our backline will greatly assist our ability to rebound and make it dynamic and unpredictable. I was also thinking that we would be able to get a skilled outside midfielder (namely Simpkin or Florent) with our pick 19 but it now seems likely that both of these players will be gone by then. I've now moved over to the Simpkin camp in the belief that a player such as Simpkin is too good an opportunity to pass up, especially considering that a skilled outside mid is our strongest need.

I'm sure we have a skilled outside midfielder.
Oh. Wait.

[rb4x]

We have created 8 vacancies through trading and replaced 4 with upgrades from the rookie list. Trying to match like for like shows the players we still need to replace.

McGlynn replaced by Papley
Mitchell replaced by Foote
Hiscox replaced by Newman
Davis replaced by Marsh
X Richards to be replaced in draft
T Richards to be replaced in draft
Derickx to be replaced in draft
Nankervis to be replaced in draft

The positions to be replaced are two rucks, a key defender and a 3rd tall forward.

On basis of need the Key Defender position is reasonably well covered at present with Grundy, Aliir, Talia, Johnson (hopefiully), Reid (?), with stop gaps in Laidler and Rampe.

The Key Forward or 3rd tall forward is not so well served. We have Tippett (plays more in ruck), Franklin (plays more like a flanker) , and Reid (Usually injured) with stop gaps in Rohan and Towers.

Ruck we have Tippett, Naismith and Sinclair all injury prone and nothing else.

Not a good time to be entering a draft which is light on with talls but has a number of likely looking mids where the Swans already have good depth.

The best tall forward/Ruck in the draft looks to be English. He might not last to pick 9 though as GC though well served in that area are said to be looking at him. They might even go with him at pick 4 as if you look at the weaknesses at Carlton they are in a much more desperate situation than us with only Kreuzer and Casboult with abilities approaching AFL standard. Admittedly Carlton have weaknesses also in the midfield also so might bypass English as he might take a couple of years to develop to AFL standard.

Fremantle would look at English at pick 7 but they also would look at Petrevski-Seton and Logue being WA kids or they might ignore them on the basis that they might return to WA in two years fully ready in their prime for AFL.

I think the Swans would need to consider English at 9 if still available. Cannot see either him or Logue lasting until 19.

We might take a developing ruckmen at 46 or 49 if we do not get English but in any event I see us needing to take a mature ruckmen in the rookie draft. I would not expect a gun but rather someone a bit like Derickx who can do the job in the NEAFL and fill in when one or two of our ruckmen are injured. I would even accept Minson as a rookie on a one year contarct if necessary though it would seem to be an abuse of the term rookie.

[Billericay]

We have created 8 vacancies through trading and replaced 4 with upgrades from the rookie list. Trying to match like for like shows the players we still need to replace...

I think that's looking at things the wrong way round. We don't need to have an identical squad to this year. I think we need to have the best 22 with backups for all positions. Using that approach, if we lack a skilled outside mid (for example), we'll continue to lack one.

I'd say we are light on for marking / leading forwards, need a rookie / junior ruckman, and as much class as we can add to the team.

[Ludwig]

Here's one of the recent phantom drafts posted on Big Footy's Phantom Draft board. I don't think it's that far off the mark and a reasonable guide to how things stand.

What's interesting is that Will Brodie is an option at our first pick. If Freo take Tim English, a class midfielder will be in the mix at this pick. The author has us taking Josh Battle at our 2nd pick, which is not out of the question and would be an interesting pick, but what I like is the 4 players that are still in the draft after our pick in Witherden, SPP, Cedric Cox and Shai Bolton, all players that would be good additions to the Swans. You can shuffle the draft as you like, but several good ones will still fall through to our 2nd pick. Thankfully no Luke Ryan; it's hard to see how he fits in with this group of players.

Harry Morrison at our 3rd pick would be a good one as well. He's a quick medium defender with a solid all around game.

Ryan Garthwaite, a GWS academy player who will probably get picked somewhere between 35 and 50 didn't make the author's top 58. He's a KPP who plays mostly in defence, but can go forward as well. Draft sanctions for GWS could have a big impact on the draft.

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[Mountain Man]

Not a single NSW player - what will upset Eddie instead?

[Auntie.Gerald]

it is interesting how over many years now at the Swans we have generally developed tall defenders and or taken them late in the draft and we have been fairly successful at that strategy and they have gone on to represent the bloods brilliantly........... You would even say we have gone for value small defenders late in the draft also except for Jones........... YET suppose it is easy to say that is a Bloods strategy when we haven't had two picks as high as we have now........well not since 2009......so a little unfair to compare as who knows if we had early picks in those years needing tall defenders etc........hard to say

Yet this year we have half the RWO forum opting for G Logue a key defender ahead of a gun midfielder.........and this could also be because we have had early access to top class midfielders in Mitchell, Mills, Heeney and Jones the last few years and added very handsomely to our midfield thank you very much

developed and or late pick defenders:

Ted
Grundy
AA
Rampe
Talia
AJ
Smith
Laids
Barry
etc


In 2009 we had the following players retire and they were huge retirements or in Bazzas case move on to the Dogs and this was the last time we had two serious picks i.e. picks 6 & 14 back in 2009 and we went for speed and outside run with both picks !!

1. Kennelly
2. Hall
3. O'loughlin
4. Crouch
5. L.Barry
6. Fosdike


My gut feeling is that when i take my mind back and remember the form of Grundy prior to the last few years it would be easy say Talia in the ten or so games i watched while he was at the Dogs, Talia is just as good if not better then Grundy at the same age in most parts of his game except over head marking............so between Talia and AJ? they could have Grundys job covered in a season or two when Grundy retires and could this be good enough for what we need? or quite likely we have a 23yr old at another club we have our eye on for 2018 anyway just like the hawks have done for many years

So lets say we could internally or late pick cover Grundys role just as we have covered teds role with a brilliant season by AA or we pick up a trade or recruit mid aged for 2018.

If this was a definite or a very likely would it then not make sense to go for a strong midfielder that may play 250 games for the bloods ?

It could also be argued that if a Will Brodie joined the Swans and our midfield was simply a step above all other AFL teams with the likes of a Mills, Heeney, Jack, Parker, Kennedy, Hannes, Jones etc that winning the midfield battle with another potentially elite midfielder could put us in a much stronger position if we have a Key def covered without using pick 9