2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[barry]

The lesson from Nankervis is that it's a waste of time drafting a ruckman when you can just poach one that is opportunity starved at another club.

For us, the exception would be getting one through the academy like Naismith

Absolutely correct.

[Steve]

The lesson from Nankervis is that it's a waste of time drafting a ruckman when you can just poach one that is opportunity starved at another club.

Which is what we've done for the past 15 years, particularly the likes of Jolly and Mumford who moved for more opportunities. So we can't really complain when one of ours goes.

If Nankervis stayed, his development would have been limited - playing mostly NEAFL and probably only in-and-out of the seniors based on injuries. He's unlike most other young ruckman in that most are physically underdeveloped and injury prone as they grow into their bodies.

I'm not really sure there is a great deal of development left in Nankervis anyway - he's slow and lumbering, which isn't the modern prototype of a ruckman or even the forward/ruck role. He would have done a lot better 20 years ago.

You never get what the players 'real value' is in these situations - Hawthorn didn't for Kennedy, Geelong for Mumford etc.

[Levii3]

What happening with Towers and X leaving or staying not much is being said.

[goswannies]

The lesson from Nankervis is that it's a waste of time drafting a ruckman when you can just poach one that is opportunity starved at another club.

For us, the exception would be getting one through the academy like Naismith

Derickx
Chambers

Spider was ok

Jolly successful until he deserted
Mummy as above

Ball

[MadCanuck]

There must be a Ricky Mott type kicking around one of the reserve sides somewhere.

[aardvark]

There must be a Ricky Mott type kicking around one of the reserve sides somewhere.

Will Minson and Zac Clarke are looking for new homes........going cheap!

[Crusty]

I can't see the angst about trading this year.
Mitchell wanted to go. Nank wanted to go. X...who knows?
There is no rule that we have to trade.
Look at last year: we lose Goodes, Pyke, Shaw. Trade out Bird for 0 and swap Jetta for Sinkers.
But....brought on
Naismith
Aliir
Hewett
Marsh
Drafted Mills and Papley,

and

made the GF.

We traded for none of these.

So, recruitment was good, development was good.
Now we need to go to the draft to replace those who have been developed into first graders.
Second, we have players in the wings who probably will be first graders:

Davis
Dawson (I'm excited by him)
Newman
and others.
Hopefully AJ can play and that is like drafting a first rounder for nothing.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Will hold judgment for now.

If we can trade up our picks and the end result is we either hold one inside top 10 or three inside top 30, a good chance to bring quality onto our list.

[Ludwig]

It was a mistake to draft Nankervis at pick 35 and I said so at the time. Why in the world did we sign Tom Derickx and extend his contract no less? And trading Jetta for Sinclair was also a bad move. I wanted a draft pick. Now we have someone earning 400k a year who will only play if someone gets injured. How many ruckmen do we need? Port Adelaide played their best when they had no ruckmen and had to play Trengove in the ruck. Worked fine. I don't know why we keep doing this except to keep Steve Taubert employed.

The NSW and QLD clubs always get ripped off with player movements. Other clubs know we have no power, so we are easy targets. The Giants struck a good deal at startup and will have their run, but their time will come to eat dust as well. Eddie McGuire and Mike Fitzpatrick will get their wish in due course.

We will be lucky if we can trade Richards and picks 39 and 52 to NM for pick 33.

[Legs Akimbo]

Considering where we drafted nankervis and his development, to accept a lower pick is just madness. Would have been better to not trade and accept no compensation as a market signal. Negotiation 101.

[ernie koala]

Now all we need, to make this a truly awful trade period for the Swans...

Is...

1) Get unders for Richards....

2) Keep Towers

3) Bring in Clarke or Minson

[Ludwig]

Now all we need to make this a truly awful trade period for the Swans...

Is...

1) Get unders for Richards....

2) Keep Towers

3) Bring in Clarke or Minson

Done. You can take this one to the bank!

[waswan]

We better not get Clarke......As a WA man I have spent way too many years bagging him

[giant]

More clubs should look to the fringe players at strong clubs for value. Bear in mind that this is how we identified JPK and Mumford, offering them greater opportunities to pay senior footy.

And Bolton.

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The lesson from Nankervis is that it's a waste of time drafting a ruckman when you can just poach one that is opportunity starved at another club.

For us, the exception would be getting one through the academy like Naismith

True, but the other lesson is we should be trying these youngsters on our lists (including Allir) before we go spending big on the likes of Talia and Sinclair.

[tlock]

What happened to the good ol days when we traded peanuts for young fringe players from other clubs and polished them into gems:
Ted Richards (traded from Essendon for draft picks 19 and 50)
Josh Kennedy and Ben McGlynn (traded from Hawthorn, with Ben McGlynn, for draft picks 39, 46 and 70)