2017 trading, drafting, list management

[Ludwig]

I think if Tippett goes, it will be partly to shed cash so I don't think it will involve another player coming back our way. I also think that the club is backing Naismith to be our primary ruck for the next few years and so Goldy isn't likely a priority.

We should try to unload Tippett, otherwise we should try to trade Sinclair. They are both behind Naismith, whose main problem is his propensity to get injured. Darcy Cameron might be our number 1 ruckman as early as next season, but is a good enough forward to possibly warrant selection on that basis alone, so might be able to team up Naismith. It's a shame Cameron had an injury plagued season and didn't get much opportunity to show his stuff often enough, but the games he played were very good.

I think Goldstein is on more money than Tippett now, whose contract has reportedly been extended out to 2020.

I also think we should try to move on both Towers and Marsh. I like Marsh, but it won't get any easier breaking into our side next year. I think he could fit into either of the WA sides. Towers will fall out of the senior side at some point. He may have had a good enough year to find interest from another club. Maybe NM, who could use some outside speed. I don't expect much in return for either.

[Mug Punter]

Martin is not that dumb as most people think. He's nearly finished a certificate four in business. His father part owns a transportation business and will most likely be part of managing that company. The company is based in Campbelltown. His fathers partner owns a sports apparel company and will most likely have some type of work there. Could be a mercenary but he's not dumb.

Rayner is a very good chance of ending up at Norf whether they have first or second pick as Brisbane believe he could be a possible flight risk ATM.

I am sure that Martin Senior dabbles a bit in the import-export business as well (well, maybe more the import) and I do wonder what his main lines of transport are.

Anyway, hopefully young Dustin pays attention in his advanced book-keeping classes when they touch on AUSTRAC and the anti-money laundering provisions.

The Lions seem to have an unofficial policy to draft Vic Country Boys wherever possible and I think that is a sound one

[Mug Punter]

We should try to unload Tippett, otherwise we should try to trade Sinclair. They are both behind Naismith, whose main problem is his propensity to get injured. Darcy Cameron might be our number 1 ruckman as early as next season, but is a good enough forward to possibly warrant selection on that basis alone, so might be able to team up Naismith. It's a shame Cameron had an injury plagued season and didn't get much opportunity to show his stuff often enough, but the games he played were very good.

I think Goldstein is on more money than Tippett now, whose contract has reportedly been extended out to 2020.

I also think we should try to move on both Towers and Marsh. I like Marsh, but it won't get any easier breaking into our side next year. I think he could fit into either of the WA sides. Towers will fall out of the senior side at some point. He may have had a good enough year to find interest from another club. Maybe NM, who could use some outside speed. I don't expect much in return for either.

I like the idea of just keeping the squad as is, I think you need a good fleet of ruckmen and this season has shown it is easy to have two out at any one time, then again your view of ruckmen as an optional extra is well documented.

Goldstein to here is just delusional but I would think Tippett clearly does have a value that we would trade at, I just don't think any club will be prepared to pay what will satisfy both us and Kurt.

I couldn't see us getting any offers that would see us consider offloading Towers or Marsh. Towers' best year could be 2018 so we'd be crazy to trade him and Marsh may well have a role in our unfashionable backline once Smith calls it a day and he has shown he is quite happy to be patient with his development.

[Ludwig]

I couldn't see us getting any offers that would see us consider offloading Towers or Marsh. Towers' best year could be 2018 so we'd be crazy to trade him and Marsh may well have a role in our unfashionable backline once Smith calls it a day and he has shown he is quite happy to be patient with his development.

I think Towers would have lost his spot already had Cunningham not been injured. The pressure on spots will increase even more next year with Florent likely to be a regular challenger. With the change in rookie eligibility, Fox, Edwards and even Fisher will be in the mix. I can't see Towers improving much from here. I don't think at 27 he's going to become a harder footballer or a much better decision maker.

I feel bad for Marsh because I think he's good enough to play regular footy for a number of clubs, but the Swans are strong in his best position. Both Colin O'Riordan and Sam Murray will adding pressure to those who can play the HBF role, and we also still have Laidler on the list. I don't think Smith is heading for the exit gates all that soon and Marsh needs to start playing regular senior footy to keep his career on track. In any case, I don't think Marsh is a particularly good replacement for Smith. I have an idea that Florent may eventually take over as our key small defender. It's a really important position in the modern game. Florent has some attributes that remind me of Rory Laird and Neville Jetta. Jake Lloyd may just 'inherit' the job when Smith finally does retire. It often happens that way.

As I said in my original post, I don't expect much in compensation for either. It's more that I view them as list cloggers as we go forward. It's as much for their sake as the club's. If they don't play much senior footy next year, it could mark the end of their careers.

[Flying South]

I have a suspicion that Martin wants to move to the city of Sydney. I'm not sure the swans could fit him in their cap. So in a win-win GWS will swap Kelly for Martin. Richmond really feel they are in premiership window and are desperate to get their hands on a tall forward to compliment Riewoldt. There aren't many around. Casboult being the pick of them probably. So I feel we could tempt them with a Tippett trade. If we pushed hard enough, we could try to pry their 2nd pick, 16-20. Of course Tippett would have to agree. Which may be doubtful. That would free us up to chase the prize we are really after next year. Tom Lynch!

[Boddo]

I am sure that Martin Senior dabbles a bit in the import-export business as well (well, maybe more the import) and I do wonder what his main lines of transport are.

Anyway, hopefully young Dustin pays attention in his advanced book-keeping classes when they touch on AUSTRAC and the anti-money laundering provisions.

The Lions seem to have an unofficial policy to draft Vic Country Boys wherever possible and I think that is a sound one

Could end up like his old man but could not. I've known n spent a bit, mainly drinking n partying, of time with them colourful people n found that a few sons have no interest in following in their fathers footsteps but only time will tell us that.

In regards to Brisbane ATM I think their leaning towards Dow. Reports are they lost a little bit of interest in Rayner due to attitude of moving outside of Victoria n "lifestyle" choices.

[Mug Punter]

I have a suspicion that Martin wants to move to the city of Sydney. I'm not sure the swans could fit him in their cap. So in a win-win GWS will swap Kelly for Martin. Richmond really feel they are in premiership window and are desperate to get their hands on a tall forward to compliment Riewoldt. There aren't many around. Casboult being the pick of them probably. So I feel we could tempt them with a Tippett trade. If we pushed hard enough, we could try to pry their 2nd pick, 16-20. Of course Tippett would have to agree. Which may be doubtful. That would free us up to chase the prize we are really after next year. Tom Lynch!

I think the main benefit re trading Tippett would be the salary cap relief as opposed to any pick requirements and more in years 2019 and 2020, we I could see a situation where we pay the majority of his salary next year but the destination club pays it all in 2019 and 2020. We'd get a bit of relief in 2018 which we could use to help re-sign Hewett, Papley and Lloyd none of who you'd think will be too troublesome re-signings.

Tom Lynch will be highly sought after but I think all things being equal he'd be a chance at coming to us. However I'd fully expect Gold Coast to match any bid as a matter of principle and take it to the trade table. I don't think we'd have the cap space to make a bid they couldn't afford to match like we did with the Hawks and Buddy. And I don't think we'd have the trade currency to make the deal happen either.

[Mug Punter]

Could end up like his old man but could not. I've known n spent a bit, mainly drinking n partying, of time with them colourful people n found that a few sons have no interest in following in their fathers footsteps but only time will tell us that.

In regards to Brisbane ATM I think their leaning towards Dow. Reports are they lost a little bit of interest in Rayner due to attitude of moving outside of Victoria n "lifestyle" choices.

You're right, we shouldn't pre-judge him.

Rayner does look a bit of a Big Time Charlie, you need that confidence but it's a fine line and still quite an inexact science re the recruitment. I imagine there's quite a bit of undercover reference checking for these kids that can go early. It's a small world the footy world, if he's got a good/bad family they'll find out, just like they will if he does drugs and its a bit loose with the ladies. You see a kid like McCluggage and Berry up at the Lions and you get the impression they've really recruited two good young kids, a bit like Florent actually (and McGrath and Taranto too for that matter). Character matters!

[Mug Punter]

I have a suspicion that Martin wants to move to the city of Sydney. I'm not sure the swans could fit him in their cap. So in a win-win GWS will swap Kelly for Martin. Richmond really feel they are in premiership window and are desperate to get their hands on a tall forward to compliment Riewoldt. There aren't many around. Casboult being the pick of them probably. So I feel we could tempt them with a Tippett trade. If we pushed hard enough, we could try to pry their 2nd pick, 16-20. Of course Tippett would have to agree. Which may be doubtful. That would free us up to chase the prize we are really after next year. Tom Lynch!

Surely we cannot afford Martin even if we did want him, and I hope we don't.

I'm sure that GWS would prefer to keep Kelly actually, I think they'll end up having to let Devon and Hopper leave and come to the party with a million dollar a year offer, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was a four year deal taking him through to RFA. North seem to have cooled a bit re Kelly, the lure of getting Dusty without giving up the number 1 draft pick has got them hooked I think

[Boddo]

You're right, we shouldn't pre-judge him.

Rayner does look a bit of a Big Time Charlie, you need that confidence but it's a fine line and still quite an inexact science re the recruitment. I imagine there's quite a bit of undercover reference checking for these kids that can go early. It's a small world the footy world, if he's got a good/bad family they'll find out, just like they will if he does drugs and its a bit loose with the ladies. You see a kid like McCluggage and Berry up at the Lions and you get the impression they've really recruited two good young kids, a bit like Florent actually (and McGrath and Taranto too for that matter). Character matters!

It's the Sydney way. Just like in regular employment clubs have started to realised that good character builds a good environment which leads to a healthy workplace.

[bloodspirit]

Martin is not that dumb as most people think. He's nearly finished a certificate four in business. His father part owns a transportation business and will most likely be part of managing that company. The company is based in Campbelltown. His fathers partner owns a sports apparel company and will most likely have some type of work there. Could be a mercenary but he's not dumb.

Rayner is a very good chance of ending up at Norf whether they have first or second pick as Brisbane believe he could be a possible flight risk ATM.

Are you being ironic?! "He's nearly finished a certificate four in business and his father owns a transportation business based in Campbelltown" isn't the most rock solid attestation of, let's not say brilliance, but astuteness.

I really don't get why people keep talking about Tippett being traded. It is just wishful thinking. We have extended him until 2020, he voluntarily took a pay cut and he can't be traded without his consent. Clearly he doesn't want to go and it's not going to happen.

MP, I think Cameron is the least rather than the most certain of those three players to leave the Crows given that he is contracted for 2018.

Don't want Goldy - even if we could trade him for Tippo.

Saints might make a strong candidate for Kelly - they have the picks (thanks Hawthorn!) and the cap space to make it happen.

[Boddo]

Surely we cannot afford Martin even if we did want him, and I hope we don't.

I'm sure that GWS would prefer to keep Kelly actually, I think they'll end up having to let Devon and Hopper leave and come to the party with a million dollar a year offer, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was a four year deal taking him through to RFA. North seem to have cooled a bit re Kelly, the lure of getting Dusty without giving up the number 1 draft pick has got them hooked I think

Depends how much we have left out of the cap increase. Plus it's very hard as there is no reports about Reid n Jones contract apart from length. I think Richmond would match so the only way, yes it's a long shot, is we pick Martin as a RFA which gives them a first round pick, we give our first for someone that's not worth a first, we let Tippet go to them n pay a lot of his contract. Martins contract is massively backended largely to make up for the first 3 years of being paid less. Richmond get 2 firsts n Tippet. We get Martin n a big contract bill as we ended paying for Martin n a large part of Tippet. Like I said long shot n I'd say highly unlike but it's the only way I could see it happening.

[bloodspirit]

I think Towers would have lost his spot already had Cunningham not been injured. The pressure on spots will increase even more next year with Florent likely to be a regular challenger. With the change in rookie eligibility, Fox, Edwards and even Fisher will be in the mix. I can't see Towers improving much from here. I don't think at 27 he's going to become a harder footballer or a much better decision maker.

I feel bad for Marsh because I think he's good enough to play regular footy for a number of clubs, but the Swans are strong in his best position. Both Colin O'Riordan and Sam Murray will adding pressure to those who can play the HBF role, and we also still have Laidler on the list. I don't think Smith is heading for the exit gates all that soon and Marsh needs to start playing regular senior footy to keep his career on track. In any case, I don't think Marsh is a particularly good replacement for Smith. I have an idea that Florent may eventually take over as our key small defender. It's a really important position in the modern game. Florent has some attributes that remind me of Rory Laird and Neville Jetta. Jake Lloyd may just 'inherit' the job when Smith finally does retire. It often happens that way.

As I said in my original post, I don't expect much in compensation for either. It's more that I view them as list cloggers as we go forward. It's as much for their sake as the club's. If they don't play much senior footy next year, it could mark the end of their careers.

I agree with much of this.

Do you think COR is any risk of being de-listed? He hasn't had the break through NEAFL season he would have been hoping for. He might be becoming despondent. I know you're a fan; and so was I last year but he's been pretty inconspicuous this season.

I would love to see us trade Towers if we could get something for him. He might be worth something given that he's holding down a best 22 spot in a top side. It is marginally relevant that he was a first round pick. It is perhaps more relevant and not helpful that he is 27. Most likely he is just going to remain one of our fringe players. I agree he could easily be overtaken by others as soon as next season if not even this.

[Boddo]

Are you being ironic?! "He's nearly finished a certificate four in business and his father owns a transportation business based in Campbelltown" isn't the most rock solid attestation of, let's not say brilliance, but astuteness.

I really don't get why people keep talking about Tippett being traded. It is just wishful thinking. We have extended him until 2020, he voluntarily took a pay cut and he can't be traded without his consent. Clearly he doesn't want to go and it's not going to happen.

MP, I think Cameron is the least rather than the most certain of those three players to leave the Crows given that he is contracted for 2018.

Don't want Goldy - even if we could trade him for Tippo.

Saints might make a strong candidate for Kelly - they have the picks (thanks Hawthorn!) and the cap space to make it happen.

I know it sounds ironic due to his fathers "business" activities but it's true. Please show me where he took a pay cut. He had 2 years added to his contract length n there is no way his manager or him would have agreed to break one years worth of money into 3 years. He would have ended up with more money over a 3 year period but a lot less over 2018. Cameron wants to go home, grew up in Queensland. Contracts just mean clubs pay more for him. Fully agree Goldstein is cooked. Agree on Kelly but I still lean to him staying at GWS.

[AB Swannie]

I really don't get why people keep talking about Tippett being traded. It is just wishful thinking. We have extended him until 2020, he voluntarily took a pay cut and he can't be traded without his consent. Clearly he doesn't want to go and it's not going to happen.

I think this is mostly correct. However, Tippett may agree to a trade IF he was told that he will be playing 2s for the next three years.