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I think that you are right that both won't get a huge amount of senior opportunities next year and from their personal career perspective, they would be best being traded to a Brisbane/Fremantle/NM/Carlton. However, from a Swans perspective, I think they are great depth players rather than list cloggers. Neither of them would be on much coin but both can provide decent quality in the 1s in the event of an injury.
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I think he can still provide good value for us and if he is happy in Sydney, and I believe he is very settled here, then he would be mad to leave.
Looking ahead the list will just evolve but obviously if Blakey elects to join us and is KPD material then that would be a bonus. Our defenders and ruck stocks are strong, it will be interesting to see who we draft this year. A couple of mids with our first two picks I'd say
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Not sure they'd add a lot to any of those lists either. They'll be looking for young potentially elite talent.
They are just good depth players that every club needs, they don't let us down and I imagine don't chew up much salary capComment
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COR had a great season last year which unfortunately ended a bit early with a punctured lung. I'm not sure why the first half of this season was indifferent, although not poor. He lost a bit of freedom this year because of a number of quality additions to our reserves midfield and Sam Murray became a bit of a spark running off half back. We also had quality players like Marsh and Laidler playing regularly in defence. It simply may have been that there was more competition for standing out in the crowd. His form before his injury was very good and looked to be back to his best. He just returned last week after a missing several games. I doubt he will be delisted. I think he is highly regarded by the club and I expect he is far more likely to get a senior contract than a delisting.
I'm not sure how much interest Towers may draw. I would be happy to get a pick upgrade for him. The best I could hope for would be if we could send him off along with our 3rd round pick for a 2nd rounder in 2018. I think using our 1st 2 picks in this year's draft would enough as it would be good if we could upgrade both 2nd year Cat B rookies in Murray and COR so they could play senior footy next year. Melican has already been upgraded, so that would clear out our 3rd year rookies. That would make 5 new senior spots, and then we could just fill spots on our rookie list in the draft. We've got a strong group coming through from last year's rookie draft.
We could almost certainly delist Murray and redraft him as a Cat A rookie without much fear of losing him if we are tight on senior spots.Comment
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I think even from a Swans' perspective it is better to let them go. Clubs always like to have a lot of depth, but I would rather see the depth come from emerging young players than players who have probably peaked out. We have a good group of young players like Fisher, Ronke, COR and Murray who I would prefer to give some senior game time if the opportunity arose. We also have senior ready players on our rookie list like Edwards and Fox, who I see as having more upside than Towers. Cat A rookies will be available for senior selection next season.Comment
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LOL. You don't need to be intelligent to own a business if a dubious entity has paid for such business. You are aware of what group he belongs to arent you? That's why he is no longer in this country and rightly so.
Cert IV in business; that's not hard at all, you don't need to be smart to do that.
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What does anyone have to gain from that?Comment
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One can only imagine, wonder if they employ Jakey for their delinquent debts.
We kind of broke the mould for big deals when we put Buddy in his deal but it was a calculated gamble, plus we are talking about a guy who will be in a very exclusive club (the 1000 goal club) v a midfielder albeit a good one. Buddy also brings huge off field benefits for us but let's not forget there were a number of people that thought he was a ratbag too and as far as I'm concerned he has been a model citizen.
Yes Buddy has been well paid but he's now really just one in a group of about 10 millionaires next year (Fyfe, Cameron, Kelly, Dusty, Pendles, Ablett (possibly), Boyd (ridiculously) just off the top of my head) and I think he is still the most valuable. I'm just really enjoying him in his prime now but it will be intriguing to see how he handles the inevitable slow down in years 7-9 of his deal. I have a feeling he'll still be very influential.
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It is really hard to see how COR can get a run for us next year, I thought he was in line to break through this year but he has been disappointing.
Another in a line of players who'll be coming back to pre-season super fired up though he is the type of player another club would give a chance toComment
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Bulldogs looking at Schoenmakers and Cox. The Hawks have only offered Schoenmakers a one year contract which is surprising. Maybe the Bulldogs should look at Tippett. He did a good job for them in last years GF.Comment
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LOL You won't last in his fathers type of "industry" being dumb. You won't end up bankrupt n the business closes. You'll end up dead or in jail just like a few people I knew that ended up on long stretches in the pink palace. Having known a few in the industry there's a bit more than just stand over tactics n brawn. It's not the movies. There's no bootlegging it across the state line. There's a hellva lot of networking n communication involved n most times it involves the so called good guys. On the certificate you don't have to be smart but you won't get through it if your dumb. Lastly Shane Martin was not deported because he smuggled drugs, murdered someone, raped someone or even assaulted someone he was deported because of guilt by association. LOL
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I've always thought Schoenmakers was a good player, not that we need him. Cox will get a gig but I think he is average at best.
In economic terms demand is outstripping supply at the moment. Partially due to the big cap bubble but also due to the fact that clubs are getting burnt on trades with players now dictating where they will go before the trade period. Good clubs like ours are moving towards long term contracts well before a player enters the last six months of his deal. I expect 5 year deals to players in their third or fourth years to become the norm now, if you can lock an extra year or two in the first year when they are still grateful to be on a list (as we have done with Florent and Hayward). Then once you've had a good look at them for 3-4 years lock them in for a good money 4-5 year deal that takes them to RFA where you at least can get a first rounder or match an offer.
You just get the feeling that as a free agent that will cost nothing except cap space Tippett will be too hard to resist for a club and if the deal is right for us and Kurt I would expect us to take it. Would love him to join the Pies where he can team up with Mayne in the VFL.Comment
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To the Tippett bashers.......he will stay and he will play every game for the rest of the year and here's my 'crystal ball': Tippett timing his run - sydneyswans.com.au Read between the lines.....Sinkers won't be feeling safe.Comment
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When he's up n about n in form he's easily the best ruck/forward in the game but like I've pointed out a few times it's pretty damn hard to be confident that he stays on the park long enough to get to that form. It's his 5th season n he's played 70 games so you can see why a fair few people don't have the confidence in him. Plus his pay packet has frustrated a lot for what he's delivered in the last few years. i think most talk about trading him as he's the only commodity that could get the club martin or a star player if it's even possible. I don't think it's a they hate Tippet it's that they look at the talent so just deliver scenario. Which could happen come September. Anythings possible that time of year just look at Tom Boyds grand final. Sinclair pfft I gave up on him a long time ago.Comment
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More of a list management decision, we won't be giving him away but gee if we could get him off the salary cap completely and get some pick currency he'd be hard to turn down.
I still think the most likely thing is that he will stay and given he really looks after himself we could get a decent three years from if he can stay off the treatment tableComment
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I previously commented on this article, but not on the specific statements made. Take a look at this:
I've never heard of anything so inane. It is completely self-serving to justify the Swans' stockpiling of mediocre ruckmen. As if clubs are really worried about an in-game injury to a ruckman. Even Melbourne, who do have a top notch ruckman, wouldn't be worried because they actually did better when Gawn was out injured and Pedersen was doing the bulk of the ruck work. So why would they be worried?The Demons have a No.1 ruckman rated much higher than their back-up and are potentially vulnerable to an in-game injury or being worked over by a rucking duo in the finals.
If an untimely injury to a solo ruckman does cost a team a premiership, expect trade week to be change dramatically as clubs look to stockpile ruckmen.
Longmire wants to play his 2013 dream forward line come hell or high water. He doesn't care about the form of the players or if it's a suitable structure given the changes in the game plans of other clubs. He's stuck in this time warp and determined to see it through. Doing away with the centre bounce is the only thing that might save him.
The reality is that playing 2 ruckmen instead of an adequately tall back line is far more likely to cost a premiership.
PS: Gerard Healy is now using a new term first heard on here 2 years ago: Hitouts to Disadvantage. I wish he would come up with his own material.Last edited by Ludwig; 24 August 2017, 11:23 AM.Comment
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