2017 trading, drafting, list management

[Mug Punter]

You know what, none of us have any idea how contracts are structured except for Franklin's. None of us know whether any of the contracts of re-signed stars are for fixed amounts per year or % of total cap per year, fixed amounts plus whatever the % increase per year was decided on, etc etc so really we are just wasting keyboard strokes speculating.

What we do know is that this club has been very astute in managing players contracts in the past and no doubt is right now doing the same. We lost Mumford only because of the unexpected and highly fortuitous Buddy landing in our lap, we were prepared to lose Mitchell to change the midfield mix and to get another first round pick and free up some cap space. I say again, our club has been very astute.

What we do know is that the club continues to sign new contracts for players important to our future.

What we do know is that before the trade period last year clubs were told to budget for a $1mill increase in salary cap for 2017.

What we do know is that the cap actually increased $1mill more than that which was budgeted for in 2017 and going forward. That should give us and every other club a War Chest or wriggle room. On that basis I can't see us not being able to afford Jones and Reid providing one or both don't get "Godfather" contract offers from south of the border, then prudence kicks in, as does a Band 1 compo pick.

So I for one am prepared to stop speculating and just trust the club to make the correct contract decisions going forward, be that new contracts or extra first round picks.

Spot on.

I think we'll be able to make (and probably have made now) very good offers to both Jones and Reid that reflect their fair market value. Whether the current market imbalance (and it is an imbalance with some clubs able to spend MILLIONS more than others in a short period) sees an "out of the park" offer come in is out of our hands. If that happens then we won't be drawn into a bidding war and nor should we. So, to an extent it is out of our hands now.

The bones of our list is excellent and as you say, if the worst case happens we have extra cap space ourselves and a strong drafting hand, which may not be a bad thing longer term.

Having said that, I'm prepared to stick my neck out with Jones and say that IMO the clock starts ticking if he hasn't re-signed by the end of the week. I still think he's going to stay but if he hasn't re-signed by the end of July then sadly I think we can assume he is gone. As for Reid, we'll just need to be patient - the whole free agency system is designed to allow players to explore their market value and I think he is just doing that.

[The Big Cat]

My bad.

Mistake?

[WauchopeAnalyst]

Mistake?

Depends on view.

707 stated that he/she doesn't want to speculate any more.

Miss read the post and saw it as not wanting ANY further comments about the player list.

My bad at the end after a edit.

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[Mug Punter]

707.

Do you want Reid and Jones signed?

The club runs the club. As fans we can an opinion that is in conflict with the clubs decisions and talk about it.

E.g. I dont rate rucks. As long as they compete in the air and ground balls and tackles that would do me.

But the idea that the club is perfect is a very interesting view of life and that you dont wont anyone to challenge anything.

If you want to tell people to not talk about the club you should leave RWO then, its pointless. It a forum for other peoples comments.

Reid is RFA.
Jones is just a trade.

My bad. You just dont wont to speculate any further. Fair comment.



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Where on earth did that rant come from?

Didn't interpret 707s post at all like that. Can't see where you can infer he wants either Jones or Reid not to be signed. Just a statement that he's happy to back the club's judgement. What's so incendiary about that?

[Boddo]

Martin yes, Fyfe no for me.

It could be one of them but not both ins but that would mean both Reid and Jones gone.

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I don't think we'll get anyone in. It just sounds like it's hit the bye n you've hit panic mode. It's a totally different year this year than normal with the late re-signing of the players agreement n just because someone hasn't re-signed yet doesn't mean their gone. Be patient

[WauchopeAnalyst]

Maybe i should delete post?

I claimed the mistake.????

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[Mug Punter]

Maybe i should delete post?

I claimed the mistake.????

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Sorry, didn't see that.....

[Boddo]

Maybe i should delete post?

I claimed the mistake.????

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I think it's ok to leave it. You've made a mistake n owned it. It's a lot more than a lot of people do on forums. Just relax this year with players leaving just be patient.

[Mug Punter]

I don't think we'll get anyone in. It just sounds like it's hit the bye n you've hit panic mode. It's a totally different year this year than normal with the late re-signing of the players agreement n just because someone hasn't re-signed yet doesn't mean their gone. Be patient

Agree, if we can't get our own players to re-sign then we're hardly going to get a Dusty or Fyfe.

I'd be amazed if we don't get at least one to sign up and I think we're still a fighting chance for both. Who I regard as more important changes on a weekly basis.

Not calling him gone by any stretch but I for one though will be happy to see Zak sign on the dotted line

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I think it's ok to leave it. You've made a mistake n owned it. It's a lot more than a lot of people do on forums. Just relax this year with players leaving just be patient.

+1

[WauchopeAnalyst]

I am really patient with kids.

No patience for the outcome that I WANT!

It me, me, me. Would hate for either to leave but wouldn't care if some others did!

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[Boddo]

Agree, if we can't get our own players to re-sign then we're hardly going to get a Dusty or Fyfe.

I'd be amazed if we don't get at least one to sign up and I think we're still a fighting chance for both. Who I regard as more important changes on a weekly basis.

Not calling him gone by any stretch but I for one though will be happy to see Zak sign on the dotted line

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+1

I agree with everything except I'd rather Reid to re-sign if I had to choose. We do have a number of midfielders who could step up n play jones role but not quite as good ATM but like I've said a lot there is not one person on the list who could replace Reid. And to trade for a replacement it'll cost a good amount.

[mattybloods]

If we lose Reid we really need to trade in a tall forward. What we need is someone to play deep and take contested marks, I'm sick of seeing Buddy playing deep and trying to take marks with 2 players on him. Contested marking is not a strength of his and its amazing that we keep using him in this way. I would hope that once Tippett finds form we can use him as deep forward, if not then Cameron has shown a bit in the reserves so with a big pre season might be able to play this role for us on 2018.

Someone playing the LRT role in 2012 or Pyke in 2013. Doesn't need to be an elite player on big coin, just give us better structure in the forward line and free up Buddy to roam

[barry]

We recently signed JPK, Hannebery, Parker, Rampe, Mills and Heeney on big money.

Do you think this magical $2M was not spent on those players. Just fantasy.

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JPK, Hanners and Parker would have already been on big money. I cant see them getting much more of an increase than the TPP % increase.
Rampe probably got a bit of a rise, and Mills / Heeney medium rises of say 200K each extra.

Still leaves plenty of extra room. Dont forget we got rid of $600 Mitchel, $250K Nankervis, and $200K X Richards last year as well, without bringing anyone new on. There is a lazy $1m+ of spare room.

[WauchopeAnalyst]

It might be that we have $1m waiting for a incoming player, a great outcome for the club, but unfortunately I am pessimistic on this front.

No grinders or depth players just Josh Kelly will do. (Trying to be optimistic)



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[Boddo]

If we lose Reid we really need to trade in a tall forward. What we need is someone to play deep and take contested marks, I'm sick of seeing Buddy playing deep and trying to take marks with 2 players on him. Contested marking is not a strength of his and its amazing that we keep using him in this way. I would hope that once Tippett finds form we can use him as deep forward, if not then Cameron has shown a bit in the reserves so with a big pre season might be able to play this role for us on 2018.

Someone playing the LRT role in 2012 or Pyke in 2013. Doesn't need to be an elite player on big coin, just give us better structure in the forward line and free up Buddy to roam

Having seen Cameron over here in WA he really is a forward who is getting taught the ruck craft by one of the best ATM. What stood out in WA is he's a damn accurate kick for goal but it's a lot to expect him to take on Reid's role. He doesn't quite have the mobility and hasn't even played a game of afl seniors yet.

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It might be that we have $1m waiting for a incoming player, a great outcome for the club, but unfortunately I am pessimistic on this front.

No grinders or depth players just Josh Kelly will do. (Trying to be optimistic)



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A good amount would already be taken up by players with the automatic 20% increase factored into their contract & more than likely some of the re-signings over the last year or 2