2017 trading, drafting, list management

[WauchopeAnalyst]

For me the signing of Florent and Dawson and so many early contracts for most of the guns means that I cant see us holding both Jones or Reid.

In think Reid might be another Mitchell. Both on early and long contracts on very good money but re-valued at the end.

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[Scottee]

What great news!!!

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[Markwebbos]

Also category A rookie listed players eligible to play senior footy 2018

Forgive my ignorance but which current Swans are Category A Swans and which other Categories?

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For me the signing of Florent and Dawson and so many early contracts for most of the guns means that I cant see us holding both Jones or Reid.

In think Reid might be another Mitchell. Both on early and long contracts on very good money but re-valued at the end.

Why do you think it means that?

[Mug Punter]

For me the signing of Florent and Dawson and so many early contracts for most of the guns means that I cant see us holding both Jones or Reid.

In think Reid might be another Mitchell. Both on early and long contracts on very good money but re-valued at the end.

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Not sure the connection is there but very happy to see these two guys re-signed.

I'd be hoping for Jones to commit quite soon but think Reid may go down to the wire.

[Mug Punter]

Partly. Hawthorn had been speaking to him for a while n gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. He's older now so a move interstate wouldn't be the killer suggestion it previously was. Personally I'd rather keep Reid. I think a move to Richmond for Gunston would be a good one for all parties. He'll be atleast 29 by the time Hawthorn pulls it together. He plays a lot better in good sides and Richmond desperately needs help for Riewoldt and it gives Hawthorn the picks it desperately needs.

I think that Gunston to Richmond would make sense but Sammy is a perfect fit for the Tigers and of course they don't give anything up

[chalbilto]

Can any ROW posters clarify how this new pay agreement works. The salary cap has been increased by 20% in the first year of the deal. Does this mean that all players who are under contract automatically have their current rates rates increased next year by 20%? as for example
if say Buddy is on $1million next year does this become $1.2million?

[Levii3]

Can any ROW posters clarify how this new pay agreement works. The salary cap has been increased by 20% in the first year of the deal. Does this mean that all players who are under contract automatically have their current rates rates increased next year by 20%? as for example
if say Buddy is on $1million next year does this become $1.2million?

Only if their contract has a trigger to do so Buddys contract doesn't have any triggers relating to the cap increase if he's contracted for $1 million next year it stay that way.

[Mug Punter]

Can any ROW posters clarify how this new pay agreement works. The salary cap has been increased by 20% in the first year of the deal. Does this mean that all players who are under contract automatically have their current rates rates increased next year by 20%? as for example
if say Buddy is on $1million next year does this become $1.2million?

It depends on the deal their agent negotiated.

I think we can be pretty certain Buddy doesn't have a CBA increase clause in his contract as we really took the risk on that one.

As for our other re-signings I expect that recent re-signings were based on a specified increase with any adjustment made when finalised. By this stage the clubs would have been 99% sure of the $2m one off increase, all that had to be nutted out was the years 2-6 increases. I.e. offer was based on the assumption of a 20% increase in CBA, if actual increase is greater or lower then the final figure will be adjusted accordingly.

Some players with poor bargaining power (e.g Towers) would have taken what they were offered I'd say.

Guys who signed last year (Hanners, Parker) would have been crazy not to have had CBA clauses inserted

[Mug Punter]

Looking ahead, things will start to settle down in the player market by 2019 I reckon.

For the rest of this and next year there will still be clubs with cash warchests that they are keen to spend and which will distort the player market for players off contract.

Which is why it is so good we have, with the exception of Zak and Sam, pretty much locked our squad until the end of 2019.

Looking ahead to 2018 the only important re-sign I can see is Hewett and possibly Aliir if we can get him right. Our core squad is locked and loaded to go.

[Boddo]

Forgive my ignorance but which current Swans are Category A Swans and which other Categories?

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Why do you think it means that?

Cat A - Edwards, Fox, Melican, Pink & Ronke
Cat B - Fisher, Murray & O'Riordan

[Mug Punter]

Would any changes to list numbers seem to have been deferred with the changes to Cat A availability?

Or will this be a separate issue?

[WauchopeAnalyst]

Generally major signings occur first because you want, that or those, players and then you build your list around them. Not all players listed just general tone.

1) Franklin, JPK, Parks, DH, Tippett, Grundy

2) Next level or blooming younger players.
McVeigh, Jack, Smith, Rampe, Heeney, Mills, (Reid & to slightly lesser extent Jones)

Role players
Cunningham, Towers, Laidler,

Rookies/1st/2nd years
Papley, Dawson, Florent, Hayward

Normally we lose only the bottom 2 categories or forced due to Tippett/ Franklin contracts - Mumford for money, or for bigger roles - Membrey, Nankervis.

Reid/Jones (maybe i rank them higher then some/ most RWOers). I cant see $1.2 to $1.5 million dollars sitting around not allocated but the offer is much lower.



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[Billericay]

Generally major signings occur first because you want, that or those, players and then you build your list around them. Not all players listed just general tone.

1) Franklin, JPK, Parks, DH, Tippett, Grundy

2) Next level or blooming younger players.
McVeigh, Jack, Smith, Rampe, Heeney, Mills, (Reid & to slightly lesser extent Jones)

Role players
Cunningham, Towers, Laidler,

Rookies/1st/2nd years
Papley, Dawson, Florent, Hayward

Normally we lose only the bottom 2 categories or forced due to Tippett/ Franklin contracts - Mumford for money, or for bigger roles - Membrey, Nankervis.

Reid/Jones (maybe i rank them higher then some/ most RWOers). I cant see $1.2 to $1.5 million dollars sitting around not allocated but the offer is much lower.

I sort of get your point. But doesn't this assume that re-signing (in the future) Florent and Dawson will divert funds away from Reid / Jones.

[WauchopeAnalyst]

I sort of get your point. But doesn't this assume that re-signing (in the future) Florent and Dawson will divert funds away from Reid / Jones.

Timing. CBA comes out and Florent & Dawson sign.

It might be my maths. 1+1=3

Not necessarily diverted but only a certain amount was set aside for Jones & Reid and maybe their offers might only change slightly and that might not be enough.

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[Billericay]

Timing. CBA comes out and Florent & Dawson sign.

It might be my maths. 1+1=3

Not necessarily diverted but only a certain amount was set aside for Jones & Reid and maybe their offers might only change slightly and that might not be enough.

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I wonder if Florent/Dawson had in principle agreements just waiting for the CBA to go through. Which raises the question, if Jones / Reid had similar deals just waiting for the CBA, why haven't they gone through?

A couple of possibilities - one of which is that they want to stage the announcements, another that more people have to sign off on the deal(s) as more $ is involved, option 3 is that they are still negotiating and you are right. One thing in our favour is that the mega-deals, Buddy and Tippett, won't have CBA increases built into them.

I do believe that Mitchell, was allowed to go. But I hope that they planned well enough to be able to keep the others. It's not like another Buddy has come into the club squeezing Mummies out. This is all under the clubs control.