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  • Ludwig
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 9359

    Originally posted by Boddo
    The finals is my biggest gripe when it comes to the consistency of the mrp. Everyone bar media sycophants & Geelong supporters can see that Dangerfield should get a week but won't because of the Brownlow but it's not the Brownlow I get concerned about when you get one rule for your average joe player n one for the stars it's that it can have a big effect on ladder positions thus effecting finals. If Dangerfield doesn't play we go in favourites and have a very good chance of winning. A win or loss from here on can make a huge difference. Geelong lose n they could easily end up playing port in Adelaide instead of Geelong. And a win gives us half a chance at a top 4 spot.
    I agree. I wish they would take the fairest part out of Brownlow consideration, because if Danger gets off because of that, which is very possible, it compromises the integrity of the competition for the premiership, which should take precedent.

    Suppose Danger gets off and Buddy gets a week for those incidents with Hodge. This place will explode. Maybe the MRP will rule that Kreuzer was concussed by hitting a dense pocket of air between his head and the ground.

    Even if we win all 4 remaining games we are still likely to miss top 4. We have to win 3 to be sure of top 8. If we win only 2 we will have to depend on other results going our way. A Bulldogs victory today would help a bit. In any case, if we lose to both Geelong and Adelaide you would think we would just be making up the numbers for the premiership.

    We need to get players who can win us a premiership even if it means taken a chance on a few players with not much as far as senior games this year. Naismith, Sinclair, Robbo, Foote and even Hayward are not going to cut it.

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    • Boddo
      Senior Player
      • Mar 2017
      • 1049

      Originally posted by Ludwig
      I agree. I wish they would take the fairest part out of Brownlow consideration, because if Danger gets off because of that, which is very possible, it compromises the integrity of the competition for the premiership, which should take precedent.

      Suppose Danger gets off and Buddy gets a week for those incidents with Hodge. This place will explode. Maybe the MRP will rule that Kreuzer was concussed by hitting a dense pocket of air between his head and the ground.

      Even if we win all 4 remaining games we are still likely to miss top 4. We have to win 3 to be sure of top 8. If we win only 2 we will have to depend on other results going our way. A Bulldogs victory today would help a bit. In any case, if we lose to both Geelong and Adelaide you would think we would just be making up the numbers for the premiership.

      We need to get players who can win us a premiership even if it means taken a chance on a few players with not much as far as senior games this year. Naismith, Sinclair, Robbo, Foote and even Hayward are not going to cut it.
      My predictor has us missing the top 4 by a game behind Richmond. But because our percentage is better an extra win means a lot. The predictor I did has us finishing 6th. Why is it so bad and earth shattering if he misses a Brownlow due to suspension? He performed a reportable act n that's it. I don't hear anyone jumping in saying they should give Chris Grant a medal n his suspension was done through the intervention from an afl official. Or is it cause Dangerfield passes the good bloke test n his skits are so so funny ????

      Buddy's tackle started at hodges shoulders n slipped up.

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      • barry
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 8499

        We only need 12 wins to make finals. our percentage is good enough. Obviously 13 or 14 gets is a chance at a home final.

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        • Thunder Shaker
          Aut vincere aut mori
          • Apr 2004
          • 4206

          Originally posted by barry
          We only need 12 wins to make finals. our percentage is good enough. Obviously 13 or 14 gets is a chance at a home final.
          12 and a good percentage would probably be enough for eighth. Take a look at the run home for the other contenders for the last three spots in the finals (8-point games bolded):

          Melbourne: GWS, St Kilda, Brisbane, Collingwood. 1-3 wins, 2 most likely. (12 wins)
          Western Bulldogs: Brisbane, GWS, Port Adelaide, Hawthorn. 1-3 wins, 2 most likely. (12 wins)
          Essendon: Carlton, Adelaide, Gold Coast, Fremantle. 3 wins likely. (12 wins)
          West Coast: (leading against Brisbane), St Kilda, Carlton, GWS, Adelaide. 2-3 wins, 3 wins likely. (12 wins)
          St Kilda: West Coast, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Richmond. 1-3 wins, 2 wins likely. (11 wins)
          Hawthorn: Richmond, North Melbourne, Carlton, Western Bulldogs. 2-3 wins, assume 3. (11.5 wins)

          No side has an easy run, and it is not difficult to imagine that the sides 6th to 10th all have 12 wins, as I have suggested here (assuming the Swans win only two games, I think we will win three). If 12 wins were insufficient, that would require three sides performing very well and several of these contenders play each other.
          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            If:
            • We only win 2
            • Melbourne win 3
            • WB win 3
            • Essendon win 4 (Have home game v Adelaide and the other games look like winners) or win 3 with good percentage.


            we would miss the finals.

            All very plausible.

            Injuries and MRP could have a big impact on the outcome of the Geelong match. It's really a critical game that we have to get up for in a big way.

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            • Thunder Shaker
              Aut vincere aut mori
              • Apr 2004
              • 4206

              Originally posted by Ludwig
              If:
              • We only win 2
              • Melbourne win 3
              • WB win 3
              • Essendon win 4 (Have home game v Adelaide and the other games look like winners) or win 3 with good percentage.


              we would miss the finals.

              All very plausible.
              Possible and plausible yes, but more a mathematical possibility than anything.

              Percentage will be key. We have a good advantage here.

              Sydney 114.7
              Melbourne 107.3
              Essendon 107.1
              West Coast 105.9
              Western Bulldogs 100.3
              St Kilda 96.7
              "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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              • Billericay
                Regular in the Side
                • May 2013
                • 712

                Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                Possible and plausible yes, but more a mathematical possibility than anything.

                Percentage will be key. We have a good advantage here.

                Sydney 114.7
                Melbourne 107.3
                Essendon 107.1
                West Coast 105.9
                Western Bulldogs 100.3
                St Kilda 96.7
                I don't think our percentage advantage is big enough, particularly over someone like Essendon who have yet to play Carlton, Gold Coast and Freo

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                • Thunder Shaker
                  Aut vincere aut mori
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 4206

                  Originally posted by Billericay
                  I don't think our percentage advantage is big enough, particularly over someone like Essendon who have yet to play Carlton, Gold Coast and Freo
                  We also play Carlton and Freo in the last four weeks.
                  "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                  • The Big Cat
                    On the veteran's list
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 2356

                    If we only win 2 of the last four we are in treacherous waters. I hate to say it, but the team we really need to barrack for strongly is GWS. Need them to beat Melbourne next week in Canberra and then WCE and WB later on. Adelaide wins against WCE and Essendon would also be handy, (but not as handy as losing to us to give us 3 wins perhaps!)
                    Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                    • Hotpotato
                      Senior Player
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 2272

                      I'm pleased to see 5 teams outside Victoria in the top 8 ATM.
                      Sydneys two losses to Hawthorn have been diabolical to their chances however and now the injury toll is mounting.
                      No way they are a 5/1 contender .

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                      • 707
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6204

                        Could be out of the 8 after this weekend. Hawthorn loss was one we could ill afford plus we now appear to have an injury list mounting and very little AFL standard depth.

                        GWS, what can you make of them at present, lucky to get over Freo at home.

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                        • barry
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8499

                          GWS starting to get players back and two "home" games back to back should see a revival. Deludio will be back in the side this week. Can't see them falling out of top 4, but top 2 unlikely.

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                          • neilfws
                            Senior Player
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 1826

                            Finals

                            Unfortunately in addition to the should-wins (Freo, Blues), we need at least one and probably more of Hawks, Geelong and Adelaide, all away. And one of those is gone. And now some injuries to key players.

                            It's been a great run after the horror start, but there's no escaping the horror start. Was always going to be a big ask when no one has ever done it from 0-4 start. I know it's easy to look back and identify key "should have" moments but...that Carlton loss in round 6, a real nadir.

                            I'm not giving up hope though! It's not over until it's mathematically over.
                            Last edited by neilfws; 31 July 2017, 01:38 PM.

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                            • Boddo
                              Senior Player
                              • Mar 2017
                              • 1049

                              Christ I'd never want to go into battle with the majority of you. You'd all turn n run just as your enlisted. We're 6th on the ladder n have a healthy percentage. Have the best form over the last two months of any side. Have arguably the best forward playing the game, one of the best midfields, playing a side we comfortably beat at their home last year who could possibly be without their best player n you lot have thrown the towel in already for finals footy after a game we just lost by a goal playing our worst footy in a few months. Do any of you really think the club, the admin, the players, the coaching staff, ffs even the boot studder thinks like this?

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                              • Hotpotato
                                Senior Player
                                • Jun 2014
                                • 2272

                                You tell em Boddo ..... where there's still 22 reasonably fit men to walk across the white line .... there's still lots of possibilities.

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