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  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16737

    Originally posted by TheGong
    Liz, we had 8 rookies this season:

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    Alex Johnson 194 92 02.03.92
    Ben Ronke 182 77 18.12.97
    James Bell 183 79 10.02.99
    Jake Brown 185 77 19.03.98
    Robbie Fox 185 85 16.04.93
    Angus Styles 185 71 03.05.99
    Joel Amartey 196 88
    Toby Pink 194 92 11.08.98
    That's because we went in with just the two Cat B rookies. Presumably the club didn't think anyone else worthy and/or they had a view on the manageability of the list size. But we are allowed up to three.

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    • bloodspirit
      Clubman
      • Apr 2015
      • 4448

      Originally posted by liz
      Edit: I think you might have been editing your post, including the bit I quoted, while I was typing my post. We probably now count the same, at least for senior players.
      Actually I did make a mistake - I was overlooking that AJ had been sent back to the rookie list. So thanks for clearing that up. So, yes, reckon there will be at least one more senior delisting (tipping Marsh) and also a rookie.
      Last edited by liz; 19 October 2018, 06:46 AM. Reason: fixed quotation formatting
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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9359

        We delisted Jake Brown, but is there anyone in our Academy we can draft this year who's a better prospect? I didn't think so watching some of the better ones, like Stern, Wicks and Stewart playing in the same games as Brown. I thought all were borderline selections and none were better than Brown.

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16737

          Originally posted by Ludwig
          We delisted Jake Brown, but is there anyone in our Academy we can draft this year who's a better prospect? I didn't think so watching some of the better ones, like Stern, Wicks and Stewart playing in the same games as Brown. I thought all were borderline selections and none were better than Brown.
          I guess the thinking is that he's had an extra year in the system, including one year actually being a full-time footballer. (The U19 squad trains a lot with the senior squad but I guess it's not quite as intensive.) So he's had his chance to show he had improvement left in him (which he did, but maybe not enough).

          I agree none of those three has anything stand out about them that suggests they're capable of much, or any, more than Brown but maybe one or more deserves a chance. Stern does have some genuine pace about him, while I thought Stewart was the best performed of the year over the course of the NEAFL season.

          Reinhardt looks to be one who does have a bit of scope for improvement because he's taller (though not quite KPP height) and is still very lightly built.

          The club could cast the net a bit wider and look to recent graduates from the U18 and U19 academy programmes who've move to other clubs. There were a handful who got NEAFL rising star nominations in 2018 and others who had good seasons. I don't know whether the club retains the right to choose players like this as Cat B rookies though. I suspect not.

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          • AnnieH
            RWOs Black Sheep
            • Aug 2006
            • 11332

            Originally posted by ISIBIDBI
            Not sure if anyone has seen Kinnear’s trade period summary but it was very interesting. Mentioned at the end that the Swans would look to move up the draft order with live pick trading if there is someone we rate really highly. Also said we were looking at taking 4 players in the draft including Blakey.
            If Kinnear says so, the four players we want will be little guns.
            I'm not worried, Kinnear knows what he's doing.
            Our list is very healthy now that a little dead wood has been burned.
            Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
            Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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            • Blood Tunnel
              Pushing for Selection
              • Aug 2008
              • 65

              Originally posted by Mountain Man
              3 ex Swans received premiership medallions in the last 3 years. And a Brownlow.
              Not sure that will happen again from this years trading - so a win for me from this year
              Toby Nankervis.
              Lewis Jetta.
              ??? Who's the third one to win a p'ship? I've got no idea.

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16737

                Originally posted by Blood Tunnel
                Toby Nankervis.
                Lewis Jetta.
                ??? Who's the third one to win a p'ship? I've got no idea.
                Biggs

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                • Bill Posters
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 259

                  Originally posted by R-1
                  Here's my (co-authored) take for the ABC, based on our HPN work - Who won and lost the 2018 AFL Trade Period? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

                  It's not a glamorous trade period, but Sydney project well out of it in terms of total future expected value (there are graphs!).

                  Clarke is a big piece of that. As a 21 year old with 40 games under his belt (even at a relatively low level of value to his team), history suggests he has a lot of footy ahead of him, probably more than Hannebery and Rohan combined (Thurlow barely figures and Newman might do a lot more at Carlton than he would have here).

                  We have also upgraded our position in the next two drafts by a lot (that Saints 2nd rounder is a nice acquisition), basically expanding the probability we get good value out of it, and because draft position is all abstract probabilities, this is the thing observers tend to underrate.
                  Great article, and I love the graphs! Def feeling a lot more positive about our trade period.

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                  • Blood Tunnel
                    Pushing for Selection
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 65

                    Originally posted by liz
                    Biggs
                    Thank you Liz.
                    Totally forgot about him.

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                    • dejavoodoo44
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 8492

                      Originally posted by Ludwig
                      We delisted Jake Brown, but is there anyone in our Academy we can draft this year who's a better prospect? I didn't think so watching some of the better ones, like Stern, Wicks and Stewart playing in the same games as Brown. I thought all were borderline selections and none were better than Brown.
                      I'd probably give one of them a rookie list spot. But it would be mainly for the positive reinforcement value for others in the academy. That is, just to stress that there is a realistic path, from the academy to the Swans list. On similar lines, I would also be tempted to give someone like Ryan Hebron a spot: who after being a toppy from the academy, went to Sydney Uni and won their best and fairest. Which may send the positive message, that if you miss out on a spot in your draft year, there's still a pathway through the NEAFL, if you apply yourself and improve your game.
                      Which in the long term, should both strengthen the Swans and strengthen the NEAFL.
                      Last edited by dejavoodoo44; 19 October 2018, 10:22 AM.

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                      • Melbourne_Blood
                        Senior Player
                        • May 2010
                        • 3312

                        2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

                        Libba still unsigned ..


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                        • KTigers
                          Senior Player
                          • Apr 2012
                          • 2499

                          Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                          Libba still unsigned ..


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                          Can he be held responsible for the sins of his father?

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                          • longmile
                            Crumber
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 3360

                            Originally posted by KTigers
                            Can he be held responsible for the sins of his father?
                            do the dogs even have a team still?

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                            • CureTheSane
                              Carpe Noctem
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 5032

                              Originally posted by KTigers
                              Can he be held responsible for the sins of his father?
                              Yes
                              The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                              • caj23
                                Senior Player
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 2462

                                Originally posted by KTigers
                                Can he be held responsible for the sins of his father?
                                I think Swans would steer clear of him given his off field exploits regardless of any history with his old man

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