2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • Papernick
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Mar 2018
    • 69

    Great news to see Will signing up for another year.

    Hoping Ling can have a bit of a run at it this year too

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    • Auntie.Gerald
      Veterans List
      • Oct 2009
      • 6483

      Yep it is awesome
      So clever to keep the momentum with Ollie and Hayward on the snr field as well as contracts
      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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      • Mark26
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2017
        • 1535

        Great news on Will's extension. It's good to see both he and Ollie getting a run in the firsts. I like the way our midfield is building.

        Now who to resign next? There's a few critical players coming off contract this year. Hope we get the following signed with a minimum of fuss:
        Aliir Aliir
        Heath Grundy
        Jake Lloyd
        Sam Naismith
        Nic Newman@
        Nick Smith
        Dean Towers

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          Originally posted by Mark26
          Now who to resign next? There's a few critical players coming off contract this year. Hope we get the following signed with a minimum of fuss:
          Aliir Aliir
          Heath Grundy
          Jake Lloyd
          Sam Naismith
          Nic Newman@
          Nick Smith
          Dean Towers
          I'm pretty sure we will sign everyone we want.

          On Reg, we can wait and see how things pan out at the end of the year. Even if he's a depth player next year, he's probably worth another year. It may depend on how Maibaum and AJ go. If they get through the year looking like AFL material, then maybe Reg should hand up the boots.

          If it looks as though Naismith is heading for a successful recovery I would offer him a rookie contract. He's unlikely to see senior footy next year. We can see him through next season and make a long term determination then. Not dissimilar the the AJ situation.

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          • Papernick
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Mar 2018
            • 69

            Originally posted by Mark26
            Great news on Will's extension. It's good to see both he and Ollie getting a run in the firsts. I like the way our midfield is building.

            Now who to resign next? There's a few critical players coming off contract this year. Hope we get the following signed with a minimum of fuss:
            Aliir Aliir
            Heath Grundy
            Jake Lloyd
            Sam Naismith
            Nic Newman@
            Nick Smith
            Dean Towers
            Pretty relaxed about our re-signs this year. We could conceivably cover any of those guys seeking a trade or retiring

            I could see Newman possibly getting an offer down in Melbourne if we don't offer up a competitive salary. Smith I would think will re-sign for sure. Towers is also firming as a re-sign. Aliir will depend on form an opportunities, if Reg stays on and he sees little footy I wouldn't blame him for asking for a trade. Of the lot Lloyd would be the one I'd be actively trying to sign up to a longer term deal.

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              Originally posted by Papernick

              I could see Newman possibly getting an offer down in Melbourne if we don't offer up a competitive salary. Smith I would think will re-sign for sure. Towers is also firming as a re-sign. Aliir will depend on form an opportunities, if Reg stays on and he sees little footy I wouldn't blame him for asking for a trade. Of the lot Lloyd would be the one I'd be actively trying to sign up to a longer term deal.
              I agree that Newman is a real chance to be traded if he doesn't secure a regular spot this year. I would think a lot of clubs would be interested in him.

              Reg will be 33 next year. I don't think he'll be playing for another club.

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              • Papernick
                Suspended by the MRP
                • Mar 2018
                • 69

                Originally posted by Ludwig
                I agree that Newman is a real chance to be traded if he doesn't secure a regular spot this year. I would think a lot of clubs would be interested in him.

                Reg will be 33 next year. I don't think he'll be playing for another club.
                I meant Aliir not Reg

                I like Newman as a player but if a club comes knocking offering him a good deal that we can?t or won?t match them we may trade him and he?s have some currency

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                • Ludwig
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9359

                  Originally posted by Papernick
                  I meant Aliir not Reg

                  I like Newman as a player but if a club comes knocking offering him a good deal that we can?t or won?t match them we may trade him and he?s have some currency
                  One of the reasons we keep hearing Tom Harley mentioning his name when it comes to who is coming into the side soon is that we are well aware that he will be in very high demand regardless of his performance (which seems strange to say, but other clubs will back his potential). I don't know what we will offer him, but I have little doubt he would draw between 2 and 2.5 million over 4 years from other clubs, or perhaps more if he has a good season. I think he would be inclined to stay with any reasonable offer.

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                  • 707
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6204

                    Originally posted by Ludwig
                    ................... I have little doubt he would draw between 2 and 2.5 million over 4 years from other clubs, or perhaps more if he has a good season................
                    My maths says you are saying Newman is worth 500 to 600+k per season over 4years?

                    I very much doubt anyone will be coming for him with anywhere near that kind of contract, including us. This is a player who was dropped from the seniors last week.

                    I do want him to stay however.

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                    • SeanM
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 304

                      I am guessing it would be a Murray or Mitchell situation where he fills a need so another club values him way more than us.

                      Squad management and who gets games this season will be interesting. Fox, Jones, Newman and Aliir did not play last week. And there would be less established players like Maibaum, Ling, Dawson, Cameron, Amartey, Bell, Stoddart, Ronke and McCartin who would be hoping to get games this season.

                      Of those I think Dawson will get a few games otherwise it is three seasons of reserves football. Ling as an early draft pick may get a few games. Maibaum could get opportunities because we don't have a lot of key defender depth. Ronke and Stoddart seemed to have best preseason form. I don't think McCartin can directly replace Reid as a figurehead marking target but may get a chance mid season by being an available natural forward.

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                      • Ludwig
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9359

                        Originally posted by 707
                        My maths says you are saying Newman is worth 500 to 600+k per season over 4years?

                        I very much doubt anyone will be coming for him with anywhere near that kind of contract, including us. This is a player who was dropped from the seniors last week.

                        I do want him to stay however.
                        I bolded Aliir in Papernick's quote to indicate my reference was to him, not Newman. Does the bold typeface work on your computer or phone? It would be good know for future posting.

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                        • Papernick
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Mar 2018
                          • 69

                          Originally posted by SeanM
                          I am guessing it would be a Murray or Mitchell situation where he fills a need so another club values him way more than us.

                          Squad management and who gets games this season will be interesting. Fox, Jones, Newman and Aliir did not play last week. And there would be less established players like Maibaum, Ling, Dawson, Cameron, Amartey, Bell, Stoddart, Ronke and McCartin who would be hoping to get games this season.

                          Of those I think Dawson will get a few games otherwise it is three seasons of reserves football. Ling as an early draft pick may get a few games. Maibaum could get opportunities because we don't have a lot of key defender depth. Ronke and Stoddart seemed to have best preseason form. I don't think McCartin can directly replace Reid as a figurehead marking target but may get a chance mid season by being an available natural forward.
                          I think it?s pretty simple, we give games to those that earn them.

                          Having said that I?d think Dawson is ready and form willing is the obvious option to get a game with a spot in the forward line available.

                          I wouldn?t be surprised if none of our draftees get a senior game this year. Mccartin is a young KPF, stoddart needs another preseason in the gym and Ling can?t seem to get started

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                          • 707
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6204

                            Originally posted by Ludwig
                            I bolded Aliir in Papernick's quote to indicate my reference was to him, not Newman. Does the bold typeface work on your computer or phone? It would be good know for future posting.
                            Yep, was bolded, I misunderstood who you were paying the half mill plus to!

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                            • 707
                              Veterans List
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 6204

                              Originally posted by Papernick
                              I think it?s pretty simple, we give games to those that earn them.

                              Having said that I?d think Dawson is ready and form willing is the obvious option to get a game with a spot in the forward line available.

                              I wouldn?t be surprised if none of our draftees get a senior game this year. Mccartin is a young KPF, stoddart needs another preseason in the gym and Ling can?t seem to get started
                              Dawson on the back of a string of ressie BOGs should have been playing late last year but Foote amazingly got the nod in front of Dawson on a couple of occasions.

                              Players (except Dawson) get games when they've earned them and can be expected to contribute at senior level. Unless they start burning at ressies, I doubt we'll see any of the new draftees given we still have mature depth at our disposal, albeit not the KP type :-(

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                              • Ludwig
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9359

                                Originally posted by 707
                                Yep, was bolded, I misunderstood who you were paying the half mill plus to!
                                All thank to BT for negotiating my massive consultancy contract.

                                Georgey is backing me in. A bit of payback for all my support right from the start.

                                From George Hewett's pocket profile: Most underrated AFL player: Aliir Aliir

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