2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • 707
    Veterans List
    • Aug 2009
    • 6204

    #91
    Originally posted by liz
    Has Carlton actually found anything of value by dredging through the Giants' surplus pool? Plowman is a decent, AFL standard player (though not worth the pick GWS originally used for him) but I am really struggling to think of anyone else they've taken from the Giants who is yet an established player in the Carlton senior team.
    Reckon the jury is out on SOS as a recruiter.
    GWS accumulated their list by sheer weight of numbers, I know at one stage they could have fielded a full team of top 10 picks if you include the no brainer dozen 17yo's they were handed.

    There were a significant number of high draft picks that failed to live up to their draft position, more I reckon than an average fail rate of same draft positions.

    As for his work at Carlton, here's the ones I can think of that came from GWS and whilst I don't have the deals at hand, I know Carlton handed over very good picks to get some of these which perpetuated the draft largesse that GWS enjoyed up to the 2016 ND. I doubt the ones that do make it with Carlton would be worth what they gave GWS in high picks. In 2017 Carlton had 17 out of 40 players who had come via another club ....

    Marchbank is a win
    Kennedy may be a win
    Plowman is just an average player, wouldn't get a game with us IMO
    Jarrod Pickett may make the grade or will fade away, shows glimpses
    The rest are either already gone or won't be best 22
    Whiley
    Lamb
    Sumner
    Phillips
    Jaksch
    Palmer
    Last edited by 707; 2 February 2018, 04:21 PM.

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    • Blood Fever
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 4052

      #92
      Originally posted by 707
      Reckon the jury is out on SOS as a recruiter.
      GWS accumulated their list by sheer weight of numbers, I know at one stage they could have fielded a full team of top 10 picks if you include the no brainer dozen 17yo's they were handed.

      There were a significant number of high draft picks that failed to live up to their draft position, more I reckon than an average fail rate of same draft positions.

      As for his work at Carlton, here's the ones I can think of that came from GWS and whilst I don't have the deals at hand, I know Carlton handed over very good picks to get some of these which perpetuated the draft largesse that GWS enjoyed up to the 2016 ND. I doubt the ones that do make it with Carlton would be worth what they gave GWS in high picks. In 2017 Carlton had 17 out of 40 players who had come via another club ....

      Marchbank is a win
      Kennedy may be a win
      Plowman is just an average player, wouldn't get a game with us IMO
      Jarrod Pickett may make the grade or will fade away, shows glimpses
      The rest are either already gone or won't be best 22
      Whiley
      Lamb
      Sumner
      Phillips
      Jaksch
      Palmer
      Fair call. Pretty hard to stuff up GWS job.

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      • stevoswan
        Veterans List
        • Sep 2014
        • 8573

        #93
        As S.S. Bleeder alluded to in the 'Coaching and Plan B' thread, our list management has changed with an addition to the team. Swans snap up Dogs' contracted recruiting boss - AFL.com.au Opinions?

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        • AB Swannie
          Senior Player
          • Mar 2017
          • 1579

          #94
          Originally posted by stevoswan
          As S.S. Bleeder alluded to in the 'Coaching and Plan B' thread, our list management has changed with an addition to the team. Swans snap up Dogs' contracted recruiting boss - AFL.com.au Opinions?
          I wouldn?t know him if I sat next to him on a plane. However, I was reading some opinion on the Bulldogs page of BF and they are very upset. He is rated very highly by them and are very sad (some furious) to see him go.

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          • stevoswan
            Veterans List
            • Sep 2014
            • 8573

            #95
            Originally posted by AB Swannie
            I wouldn?t know him if I sat next to him on a plane. However, I was reading some opinion on the Bulldogs page of BF and they are very upset. He is rated very highly by them and are very sad (some furious) to see him go.
            Well, that's a great start then! Always nice to upset Doggies fans.

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              #96
              Dalrymple is another excellent addition in an off season filled with some significant improvements to our non-playing staff.

              For those who want to get to know Simon a bit better you can listen to his interview on Road to the Draft here: Audioboom / Road to the 2017 Draft - Ep. 3: Simon Dalrymple

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              • Bexl
                Regular in the Side
                • Jan 2003
                • 817

                #97
                Originally posted by stevoswan
                Well, that's a great start then! Always nice to upset Doggies fans.
                yep.

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                • 707
                  Veterans List
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6204

                  #98
                  With us holding their 2nd rounder, it was nice to see the Pies were very poor against GWS last night, may it continue into the season proper! No Sam Murray for the Pies either.

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                  • bloodspirit
                    Clubman
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 4448

                    #99
                    Thanks DANZAR for the BUMP in the 2017 thread. Here is the 2018 thread that you were talking about.

                    Not a lot of recent posts here despite all the change of personnel amongst our recruiters/list managers, which was unforeseen.

                    Dew is gone but has made a good start at the Suns. Remains to be seen the impact Stevie J and Dean Cox will have for us. Some signs of new game plan in the JLT1 (which I haven't watched yet).

                    Among players I reckon the listed players who are most under the pump this season (apart from Macca) are Foote and Rose and maybe Marsh and Robinson too. Rose has been getting some opportunities, which is good for him, but he also has a lot of competition for his spot. Fox seems to be making the most of his chances and more likely to get senior opportunities than be delisted. Pink did pretty well last year but will have to keep improving. Maibaum's contract is up this year and he has not yet been given much chance to show he is worth an extension, so he could be worried too.

                    Still no hints about who might replace Tom Harley when he is promoted to replace Andrew Ireland. I wonder what the differences are between Harley's role compared with John Blakey's or Kin Beatson's new role. I wish I knew. Maybe Harley's role will just disappear or get merged with the others when Harley is promoted?
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                    • stevoswan
                      Veterans List
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 8573

                      I figured this was the best thread to put this in rather than start a new one. The Player's Top 50 Players list is complete. 5 Swans made it in.

                      Rampe at 42
                      Hanners at 36
                      Parker at 24
                      JPK at 10
                      Buddy at 4

                      Not too bad although I think Luke should be higher and JPK is a few spots too low as well. I think this number will increase in the coming years. We have some genuine young guns coming through....

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                      • Ludwig
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9359

                        Originally posted by bloodspirit
                        Still no hints about who might replace Tom Harley when he is promoted to replace Andrew Ireland. I wonder what the differences are between Harley's role compared with John Blakey's or Kin Beatson's new role. I wish I knew. Maybe Harley's role will just disappear or get merged with the others when Harley is promoted?
                        Let's see if I can clarify this a bit.

                        Kinnear Beatson has always been the one in charge. Since he actually does all the work it's been difficult for him to engage in self-promotion.

                        John Blakey is being held hostage until his son signs a long term contract with the Swans. He also double as Longmire's bodyguard, warding off threats of a coach d'?tat.

                        Tom Harley's job is keep the real injury list from leaking out to the general public. The search is on for his replacement: someone with a top secret security clearance and a Masters in Misinformation.

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                        • Pmcc2911
                          Regular in the Side
                          • May 2013
                          • 516

                          I understand the Swans are expecting Blakey to go very high and assuming he chooses the academy route, will have to spend up big on points to secure him.

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                          • 707
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6204

                            Originally posted by Pmcc2911
                            I understand the Swans are expecting Blakey to go very high and assuming he chooses the academy route, will have to spend up big on points to secure him.
                            Probably only around 10'ish at present given the standout talent in front of him. That's easily covered by our first and maybe a bit of a downgrade of the 2nd rounder we got from Collingwood.

                            No dramas unless he rises appreciably this year in which case it may cost our late first and Pies second but if he rises that far up the draft board he's worth it.

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                            • MattW
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                              • May 2011
                              • 4232

                              Originally posted by Ludwig
                              [/B][/I]Tom Harley's job is keep the real injury list from leaking out to the general public. The search is on for his replacement: someone with a top secret security clearance and a Masters in Misinformation.
                              Also, dressing room bouncer.

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                              • liz
                                Veteran
                                Site Admin
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 16787

                                Originally posted by 707
                                Probably only around 10'ish at present given the standout talent in front of him. That's easily covered by our first and maybe a bit of a downgrade of the 2nd rounder we got from Collingwood.

                                No dramas unless he rises appreciably this year in which case it may cost our late first and Pies second but if he rises that far up the draft board he's worth it.
                                It's impossible to know where he'll fit in the draft at this stage. This time last year, Fogarty was touted as a probable number one pick yet landed at 12. The year before, Brodie was an early favourite but slipped to 8 or 9. At the start of his draft year, Heeney was thought to be maybe a second round pick before starting a rapid ascension up the pecking order, while Mills was touted as a "top few" pick much further out and failed to drift despite playing nearly no football in his U18 year. Bontempelli, Oliver, Taranto, Brayshaw are all examples of players whose stocks rose rapidly as the draft approached.

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