2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[MattW]

I just finished reading the north forum on big footy.

It?s interesting reading no doubt. They do hate the swans. Living in Sydney i think we are a bit sheltered from the general hate that most Melbourne based fans have towards our club ( not the south fans of course). Obviously bigfooty concentrates those thoughts. But I?ve noticed it change dramatically since 2012. At 2012 grand final we had roughly even support at the mcg. And walking around Melbourne after the game I was inundated with local Melbournites offering their congratulations. I get the feeling that the goodwilll towards us has now pretty much evaporated. 2016 we had a lot of vitriol directed to us after losing.

Oh well. I do love our club. Melbourne won?t ever see that we are doing well despite the challenges of a hostile Sydney market. And they still think we get an unfair advantage from the afl. All of which we know isn?t true. They think the afl pays all of the academy expenses. They think we still have cola and they forget our trade ban for not breaking any rules

Go the bloods

Cracking post.

[giant]

I have watched Blakey extensively. I have never seen a more well prepared junior footballer, both physically and mentally.
In some ways it is the mental bit that is the most impressive. Total focus, very smart player, leader and incredibly competitive.
Basically his dad has taught him incredibly well from infancy so you get every box ticked.

Yes no doubt plenty of this is due to both nature and nurture. I'm sure plenty of it is also due to the discipline and preparation he's learned at the Swans Academy, something that wouldn't have been available to Nick (or indeed any other young committed sportsperson) prior to its establishment. To suggest that because he's a son of an AFL gun he'll therefore be both committed to AFL and naturally gifted enough to make the grade without any further preparation is fallacious for mine.

[Meg]

I'm curious about whether the nomination is optional preferential, or "all or nothing"? Can he specify the order of the clubs that he wants to go to?

For example, that the bulldogs select him at pick 4. It then goes to the Swans, who decline to match him that high in the order. However Brisbane have already used their first-round pick and might want to match. Can Nick say "Swans first, then Brisbane, then the open draft (with North receiving no special preference)".

I?ve wondered about that too. I assume it is ?all or nothing? as clubs have to submit father son and academy nominations before the draft, and I assume Blakey?s name will only be submitted by the Swans.

[Ludwig]

I'm curious about whether the nomination is optional preferential, or "all or nothing"? Can he specify the order of the clubs that he wants to go to?

For example, that the bulldogs select him at pick 4. It then goes to the Swans, who decline to match him that high in the order. However Brisbane have already used their first-round pick and might want to match. Can Nick say "Swans first, then Brisbane, then the open draft (with North receiving no special preference)".

It could be interesting with a preferential nomination system. After the preference votes are counted, Blakey could end up at Freo.

[liz]

Can Nick say "Swans first, then Brisbane, then the open draft (with North receiving no special preference)".

No.

[707]

No.

Not sure about that Liz, I seem to remember Bailey Rice nominating St.Kilda then Carlton so if Saints didn't match a bid, Carlton could then match. If neither matched he would obviously go to the club who bid on him. But then again, I may be wrong :-)

[liz]

Not sure about that Liz, I seem to remember Bailey Rice nominating St.Kilda then Carlton so if Saints didn't match a bid, Carlton could then match. If neither matched he would obviously go to the club who bid on him. But then again, I may be wrong :-)

Here we go. Looks like they changed the rules in 2015. So you're right (and I was wrong).

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fatherson-rule-change-allows-bailey-rice-a-backup-plan-20150818-gj25ny.html

[Meg]

Now that is interesting. Wonder if Blakey has specified fallback preference/s. We might not know until the nominations are submitted pre draft.

[Mel_C]

I just finished reading the north forum on big footy.

It?s interesting reading no doubt. They do hate the swans. Living in Sydney i think we are a bit sheltered from the general hate that most Melbourne based fans have towards our club ( not the south fans of course). Obviously bigfooty concentrates those thoughts. But I?ve noticed it change dramatically since 2012. At 2012 grand final we had roughly even support at the mcg. And walking around Melbourne after the game I was inundated with local Melbournites offering their congratulations. I get the feeling that the goodwilll towards us has now pretty much evaporated. 2016 we had a lot of vitriol directed to us after losing.

The hate started after we recruited Tippett and Buddy because certain people in the media kept falsely stating that we used the entire COLA to pay for them. So of course the public believed what they were being told and they felt like we cheated. They still do.

[Nico]

North fans were the first to start booing Goodes. Was at Ethihad. They started the hate. Then again if you listen to North supporters on SEN they seem to hate on everyone.

[Meg]

The hate started after we recruited Tippett and Buddy because certain people in the media kept falsely stating that we used the entire COLA to pay for them. So of course the public believed what they were being told and they felt like we cheated. They still do.

Yep, the grasp of basic arithmetic is appallingly bad for a lot of people. Just recently I read a Hawthorn fan alleging that (having used the COLA cheque to firstly pay for Tippett and then Buddy according to him) we were then going to use it yet again to recruit James Frawley - and that?s the reason the AFL imposed the trade ban. Loaves and fishes story has nothing on the Swans? magic.

The frightening thing is that someone in the AFL might have been just as innumerate!

[CureTheSane]

It constantly changes.

We were everyone's second team in 2005.

[Meg]

North fans were the first to start booing Goodes. Was at Ethihad. They started the hate. Then again if you listen to North supporters on SEN they seem to hate on everyone.

I was first shocked by attitudes from some North fans immediately after Gazza?s horrible leg fracture. It was against North at the SCG (might be some bad memories for Gary on Sat night) when Lindsay Thomas slid into his legs. Thomas was subsequently suspended, North appealed and won and Thomas had his suspension lifted (after Goodes had been suspended for a far milder slide which caused no injury earlier in the year).

While the appeal was in progress the vitriol from some North fans was awful, many blaming Gary for the incident. North have been on my ?happy to see you lose list? ever since.

[Industrial Fan]

They also booed during Goodes last shot on goal with the elimination final well in their control.

That?s the one they won?t shake for me.

[mcs]

I was first shocked by attitudes from some North fans immediately after Gazza?s horrible leg fracture. It was against North at the SCG (might be some bad memories for Gary on Sat night) when Lindsay Thomas slid into his legs. Thomas was subsequently suspended, North appealed and won and Thomas had his suspension lifted (after Goodes had been suspended for a far milder slide which caused no injury earlier in the year).

While the appeal was in progress the vitriol from some North fans was awful, many blaming Gary for the incident. North have been on my ?happy to see you lose list? ever since.

I've always disliked Norf a lot, but that incident was not nice, and I remember the vitriol from the North fans well. Never had much time for them, so hope we thump them good and proper to celebrate Gaz's resilience tomorrow. Down there with the Dawks, Carlton and the Fairypuppies in my most disliked category.