2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • 707
    Veterans List
    • Aug 2009
    • 6204

    Originally posted by Papernick
    He certainly looked very comfortable around the younger players at the preseason match I saw. It would only be a crazy bid that we?d rejecy I?d say. If matching pick 1 or 2 meant we?d give up picks 18, 23 and 36 then we?d probably have to think it through.

    I?m sure the swans have a system in place where they objectively rate him and try and make a rational decision re any matching
    If Nick Blakey can elevate his game to be as high as say pick 3, and he nominates us, and we are premiers, we'll match, it will cost our first and the Pies second, probably no more. You don't get the chance to be premiers and still have pick 3! But expect Eddie's face to be beetroot colour - yet again!!

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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      My contribution to the #TomMitchellDebate is a question:

      When the Swans play the Hawks should we sacrifice one of Kennedy / Parker / Hannebery / Heeney to tag him (assuming that it would be an effective tag)?

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      • Papernick
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Mar 2018
        • 69

        Originally posted by Markwebbos
        My contribution to the #TomMitchellDebate is a question:

        When the Swans play the Hawks should we sacrifice one of Kennedy / Parker / Hannebery / Heeney to tag him (assuming that it would be an effective tag)?
        I?d like to see Heeney play a hard tag

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        • AB Swannie
          Senior Player
          • Mar 2017
          • 1579

          I'm really intrigued by following Blakey this year. From what I've read on this year's draft crop, he is more likely in the 8 - 20 range. If he ends up in the top 5, he will have had a super year given the top end talent already being spoken about. IF, he ends up choosing us as his preferred club via the academy, I really can't see us not matching regardless of where he is bid on.

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          • Papernick
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Mar 2018
            • 69

            Originally posted by AB Swannie
            I'm really intrigued by following Blakey this year. From what I've read on this year's draft crop, he is more likely in the 8 - 20 range. If he ends up in the top 5, he will have had a super year given the top end talent already being spoken about. IF, he ends up choosing us as his preferred club via the academy, I really can't see us not matching regardless of where he is bid on.
            As long as it?s not a clearly ridiclous bid we have to match but in this day and age clubs really can?t afford to do that, especially with a kid that is a genuine flight risk. Adelaide have two first rounders and I could see them trying to bundle them up with a future first rounder to get their hands on Lukosius as he is an Adelaide boy

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            • Auntie.Gerald
              Veterans List
              • Oct 2009
              • 6474

              Is Blakey the next Bont ?

              Are they equivalent at same age ?

              How skinny and tall was the bont for a midfielder!!

              https://youtu.be/RSfIZWQt48c
              "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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              • stevoswan
                Veterans List
                • Sep 2014
                • 8543

                Interesting development in the 'mid season draft' discussions:



                Makes sense to me that it is unfair to non Vic clubs.......in which case the A(V)FL will probably do it.

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                • 707
                  Veterans List
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6204

                  On foxsports.com.au AFL news - this is the headline "Three-club fight looms for special father-son talent". Who do you think they're referring to?

                  The article does however talk about a host of other likely top picks.

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                  • Meg
                    Go Swannies!
                    Site Admin
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 4828

                    I HATE the idea of a mid-season draft. Seems to me it would be very damaging to club cohesion. Am I over reacting?

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                    • Auntie.Gerald
                      Veterans List
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6474

                      Omg mid season draft could be the definition of ecstasy for our old mate ?Ludwig?



                      A symphony of hypothesis might appear on this forum
                      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                      • dimelb
                        pr. dim-melb; m not f
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 6889

                        Originally posted by Meg
                        I HATE the idea of a mid-season draft. Seems to me it would be very damaging to club cohesion. Am I over reacting?
                        No!
                        He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                        • Ludwig
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9359

                          Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                          Omg mid season draft could be the definition of ecstasy for our old mate ?Ludwig?

                          I actually don't like the idea. I think lists are big enough to cover most contingencies and list management is part of building a successful club.

                          But I do like like live trading during the draft and would support that change if it came to pass.

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                          • liz
                            Veteran
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16733

                            Originally posted by Ludwig

                            But I do like like live trading during the draft and would support that change if it came to pass.
                            Can you explain why? That's a genuine question of curiosity rather than an argumentative question. I genuinely don't understand how people think it would work, or what benefits it would deliver to clubs. Can you provide a scenario (maybe using a recent draft), where two clubs might have landed up trading draft picks part way through a draft. Do you think it would have been a selling club putting out feelers for bids for their pick, or a buying club approaching another to obtain their pick.

                            And do you think the clubs have sufficiently developed negotiation skills to make this work, given at least half the clubs have an egoistical need to "win" every trade (or at least convince themselves and their supporters that they won the trade). Many clubs struggle to complete trades in the two weeks in October they are allocated to trade. Will they be able to pull anything off in the 10 or so minutes that they might have available during live trading?

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                            • 707
                              Veterans List
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 6204

                              Interesting rumour going around that the draft will be conducted over two days, I assume something like first and second rounds live on TV at night then the remaining rounds and rookie draft the following day.

                              Also rumoured that the trade period will be cut to Monday to the following Monday, probably because most of the trades are done on the final day anyway.

                              The trading of live picks during the draft bemuses me, like others on here, I can't see why or how it would get done given the long drawn out process to trade a few bits and pieces during trade week/decimal week/fortnight or whatever it goes on for. So Carlton dashes in during the draft to see us offering pick 20 for our picks 28 & 32? How on earth would we decide whether that's a suitable deal given we've already got targets for our two picks and picks are being used on potential players as we try and come to a decision?

                              Too much looking at American sports by those in the AFL Ivory Tower just to create a TV spectacle, sheesh, give me a break!

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                              • Swansongster
                                Senior Player
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 1264

                                Originally posted by 707
                                Interesting rumour going around that the draft will be conducted over two days, I assume something like first and second rounds live on TV at night then the remaining rounds and rookie draft the following day.

                                ...

                                Too much looking at American sports by those in the AFL Ivory Tower just to create a TV spectacle, sheesh, give me a break!
                                Nail. Hammer. Direct hit. Probably the only reason the AFL would support it would be to create TV drama (therefore ratings and bidding interest from multiple broadcasters). Why does it all have to be about "industry growth"?

                                However, if you think about the points system around academies/FS, priorities and tactics for the Swans (for example) could change very quickly depending on where Blakey goes in the draft.

                                As far as mid season draft is concerned, I am not going to dismiss the concept outright. A team can potentially be hobbled by a series of injuries early in a season and having an outlet to plug gaps might be workable. Or it could also be a loan system like soccer has where rookies are shared temporarily.

                                I don't have strong opinions one way or the other or working solutions but is it not worth a conversation at least?

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