2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[crackedactor]

Jake Lloyd was equal second in the Bob Skilton Medal last year and is probably playing better this year. Given that our club knows our players best and what roles they are performing that probably means that he is the 2nd/3rd most important player at the club.

I'm sure the club will be able to come up with a reasonable offer for him. I just hope they he considers it as being reasonable.

He is a top player and I am sure the club knows that. I can on,y imagine he must be asking for a ridiculous amount, maybe a million per year, then I say let him go.




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[Blood Tunnel]

Everyone's entitled to grade players according to their own criteria, and to answer AG's question, I don't spend much time categorising Swans players into various grades. But I think of A graders as players with match winning capabilities, or superb defensive abilities.

Lloyd is small (not just height, but build) and not especially quick. He can kick goals from 50m but he tends not to kick long or fast through the air with his field kicking. He doesn't go on line breaking, player-dodging runs. He doesn't routinely play on, and shut down, dangerous opponents. He doesn't win a lot of contested ball, or tackle ferociously. What he does do is run hard all game, get into the right spot an awful lot of the time, and keeps his head and his cool. He's found a role that suits his attributes and plays it very well and consistently. But I don't see him as the kind of player you would build a team around. He works in the role he plays because of the system within which he finds himself. That's why I classify him as 'B' grade. That's not intended as a put-down. Good teams need a solid group of B graders who allow the flashier players to do their thing.

So basically he sounds like 10% of Ollie Florent.
I think Florent can play this role well & will get around the whole ground dangerously as well. This will be the reason we can't give Lloyd an unbalanced amount in this next contract, because we have others that can do the same role but with other dimensions they can call upon within a game when the moment calls for it.

[bloodspirit]

So basically he sounds like 10% of Ollie Florent.
I think Florent can play this role well & will get around the whole ground dangerously as well. This will be the reason we can't give Lloyd an unbalanced amount in this next contract, because we have others that can do the same role but with other dimensions they can call upon within a game when the moment calls for it.

Excellent point BT (our very own). If we decide to let Jake go (I don't think we will):

1. We'll have good contingency plans in place. Olly may be one. Ling and Stoddart may be options down the track.

2. We'll have got great value out of Lloyd. Enjoying the years he has performed like a Honda for Daewoo money. And we'll get a further substantial dividend at the trade table.

Another point I wanted to make before reading BT's comment is that if there is any substance to this rumour at all, it may very well be something that Jake's manager/agent has leaked strategically to be taken with a grain or two of salt.

[mattybloods]

I'm surprised just how undervalued Jake is by members of this group. Equal 2nd for Bob Skilton last year and tracking well this year. If he wants to move back to Melbourne that's one thing but if not we need to keep him. We may have other players in the Lloyd mould that can fill that spot but Lloyd is a proven talent, particularly if McVeigh retires Lloyd is a very important player for us

[Swansongster]

He is a top player and I am sure the club knows that. I can on,y imagine he must be asking for a ridiculous amount, maybe a million per year, then I say let him go.

At 25, he is probably looking for a five year deal. Maybe that is the sticking point with Sydney.

However, there are a few clubs with war chests that might be able to afford a million a season. On current form and in view of upside (the best is probably yet to come), he would definitely be on the radar of some struggling teams who are spending their salary cap on relative spuds.

He could well command a five year deal for $4-5 million at Carlton, North, Footscray or Essendon (he is a Victorian, so most likely to move home if anywhere).

The question is: Do Sydney value him at that level?

[mattybloods]

Lloyd is not a free agent right? The other question is who do we want to trade with?

[jono2707]

Jake isn't even from Melbourne. Another case of 'wants to come home' crap perpetuated by Melbourne teams the media.

[Ludwig]

At 25, he is probably looking for a five year deal. Maybe that is the sticking point with Sydney.

However, there are a few clubs with war chests that might be able to afford a million a season. On current form and in view of upside (the best is probably yet to come), he would definitely be on the radar of some struggling teams who are spending their salary cap on relative spuds.

He could well command a five year deal for $4-5 million at Carlton, North, Footscray or Essendon (he is a Victorian, so most likely to move home if anywhere).

The question is: Do Sydney value him at that level?

I think Lloyd is a very valuable player for us. He does his job as well as anyone could in that role, but he is nowhere close to commanding around a million a year. He would be closer to half that amount. War chests are built to sign franchise players, not role players, however good they may be.

Aliir would be getting bigger offers from other clubs than Lloyd would, as hard as that might be to believe. Almost every club has a player like Lloyd on their roster. Tom Philips from Collingwood comes to mind. If they are developed properly and played in the right role, they can make a huge contribution. Players like Aliir are rare and hard to find, but can change the course of a game and the way a team plays.

I'm a big fan of Jake and doubt he will be off to another club. It's very rare that players with regular spots on winning teams leave their club for the unknown. The story about him being unhappy with his offer sounds overblown to me. If the club wants him, and I'm sure they do, they will reach a deal.

I also see there is still some talk around Sam Reid being traded, which is totally ridiculous. He's bolted down in Sydney now.

[barry]

It takes a while to develop good backline link men. Losing Lloyd would probably put us out of contention in 2019. We would drop, say,2 or 3 % and that would make it hard. We'd probably recover by 2020 with a new link man but by then buddy is getting a little long in the tooth.

[liz]

War chests are built to sign franchise players, not role players, however good they may be. [/I]

Aliir would be getting bigger offers from other clubs than Lloyd would, as hard as that might be to believe. Almost every club has a player like Lloyd on their roster. Tom Philips from Collingwood comes to mind. If they are developed properly and played in the right role, they can make a huge contribution.

A couple of days ago my assessment of him along pretty much identical lines you deemed "incorrect".

[barry]

I would trade Sam Reid for the right price. He's missing so often, we don't miss him.

[Ludwig]

A couple of days ago my assessment of him along pretty much identical lines you deemed "incorrect".

I was thinking about this on my bike ride today and thought I owed you an apology. I was just nitpicking a bit because I really didn't have anything positive to contribute.

[707]

So what's the state of play with our coming out of contract players? Only a few priority signings, the majority will be delisted or traded or given one or two year deals on modest money commensurate with their value to the club.

Lloyd is the highest priority, if we want to keep him we will but if he wants overs then he'll bring in a good pick

Aliir is certain to stay, very happy here, broke back into the seniors and looked 2016'ish again

Smith will just re-sign for two more years you'd think

Reg is in good form, fairly standard here, another year

Naismith will be given a one or two year deal, is rated by the club

McVeigh, we'll see how this pans out

Then we get into players who can't crack regular senior spots and A. might want to go elsewhere and B. might get interest from other clubs, only three in this category IMO

Newman will be snapped up elsewhere, gone I'd reckon

Towers lost his place due to eye injury and hardly knocking down the door in NEAFL, keep for depth or trade

Marsh doesn't convince me he's best 22 despite some talking him up, depth at best

Then there's a sizeable list of players who IMO won't make it or need time. They'll get one year contracts at best

Robinson tested the market last year but no interest

Foote can't step up to senior level

Rose is enigmatic, gone

Maibaum is looking likely at NEAFL level, will get new contract unless he wants out

AJ another year as a rookie if the club thinks he's still a chance to return to senior action

Upgrade of Ronke already done

[liz]

I was thinking about this on my bike ride today and thought I owed you an apology.

Nah. I was just amused at the time that my subjective assessment was deemed to be "incorrect" and now I'm just nitpicking back.

[CureTheSane]

I would trade Sam Reid for the right price. He's missing so often, we don't miss him.

yep