2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[S.S. Bleeder]

Jake Lloyd is about to be made a ?godfather offer? from Gold Coast, according to Neil Cordy.

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THE Gold Coast Suns are trying to lure dashing Sydney Swans defender Jake Lloyd to the battling AFL club with a deal more than $1 million higher than Sydney?s offer.

Let's hope they start winning some games so that there are other clubs with picks before them in the P.S.D. Lloyds worth a good first round pick.

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Would be a problem if both Lloyd and McVeigh were lost at the same time. Crucial pair for the functioning of our defence in terms of footy brains and distributing the ball.

Agree will cause some problem but we have enough to cover Lloyd if he decides to leave. He is a receiver with average foot skills.

Oli, Will, Zac and Allir can do his job, with the first three possessing better footskills.

If we lose Macca as well, that is another problem as he is more damaging with the ball in hand.

Macca is the one who organises the backline (despite some bagging him for his pointing, which is probably the only way to give directions on field when then is loud crowd noise), I want to see Mills develop into this key role.

As I stated in a previous post, I would like to see him encouraged to move into a coaching role, but we may need him for one more year ( without any guarantees ).

If Lloyd wants to leave for a bigger offer so be it, he is not irreplaceable. We should get decent draft pick(s) plus free some cap space.

[Blood Fever]

Agree will cause some problem but we have enough to cover Lloyd if he decides to leave. He is a receiver with average foot skills.

Oli, Will, Zac and Allir can do his job, with the first three possessing better footskills.

If we lose Macca as well, that is another problem as he is more damaging with the ball in hand.

Macca is the one who organises the backline (despite some bagging him for his pointing, which is probably the only way to give directions on field when then is loud crowd noise), I want to see Mills develop into this key role.

As I stated in a previous post, I would like to see him encouraged to move into a coaching role, but we may need him for one more year ( without any guarantees ).

If Lloyd wants to leave for a bigger offer so be it, he is not irreplaceable. We should get decent draft pick(s) plus free some cap space.

Nor irreplaceable but I think you are under rating him. Gun player in my opinion even if a bit suspect overhead.

[Markwebbos]

Stewie Dew knows our players' strength well so he knows what he will get from any one of them.
Hope he does not pick the eyes out of our 'up and comers'.

Perhaps we can package up Robinson, Foote, Rose etc to Gold Coast for some draft picks?

[stevoswan]

Jake Lloyd is about to be made a ?godfather offer? from Gold Coast, according to Neil Cordy.

Category: | Herald Sun

THE Gold Coast Suns are trying to lure dashing Sydney Swans defender Jake Lloyd to the battling AFL club with a deal more than $1 million higher than Sydney?s offer.

If I was playing AFL, sure I'd like to be paid really well.....but I'd also like to enjoy my football. That would not be possible at the Suns.....Jake has some important decisions to make.

[Legs Akimbo]

I rate Jake Lloyd but a person playing his role and position is not worth that coin. We also have redundancy in that position. Given we've made two offers already, the choice is his. Finals or $.

[YvonneH]

I rate Jake Lloyd but a person playing his role and position is not worth that coin. We also have redundancy in that position. Given we've made two offers already, the choice is his. Finals or $.

Is it official that we have made 2 offers already?

[Ludwig]

Maybe there's something behind the rumours about Darcy Moore. We trade Lloyd and perhaps Newman to GC for the 1st round draft pick they got from WCE, which we pass on to Collingwood for Darcy Moore.

Personally, I'm not keen on trading for Darcy Moore. He really hasn't done anything to suggest he's worth much of anything. He would have to play in defence for us, which means Reg retires and Moore takes Aliir's place. It doesn't make sense to me.

The reason I'm not too concerned about losing Lloyd for the right price is that I can see a good and exciting back six without Lloyd as well as the old stalwarts Grundy, Macca and Smith.

It goes like this: Melican, Aliir, Rampe, Rohan, O'Riordan and Cunningham.
KPP depth, excluding delistings: Maibaum, AJ, Pink and Blakey.
Other small defender considerations: Fox, Jones, Stoddart, Ling, Florent, Ronke.

It would be a different look from our present defence, with a lot more pace and aggression.


On a separate matter, the one Free Agent I would be interested in looking at is Luke Dahlhaus. I wonder how his price tag campares to that of Jake Lloyd.

[Legs Akimbo]

Is it official that we have made 2 offers already?

Depends on how much you trust The Hun but that's what i read this morning at my local cafe.

[AB Swannie]

In the salary cap era, consistent success is built around a lost management approach where you pay the right value or even unders for your players. I?ve heard a few interviews from the Hawks and Geelong past players where they have said that this was key to their multiple premierships. That is, people were willing to be paid less than market value to stay together. I think the swans have mostly been able to do this and the only player I can think of where we have bought or retained on ?overs? is Tippett.

Therefore, I would prefer to let Lloyd walk rather than match any ?overs? bid. In fact, I would apply this principle to any player on our list and would especially hope we don?t make this mistake with a recruit like Darcy Moore.

[AB Swannie]

Aliir would be getting bigger offers from other clubs than Lloyd would, as hard as that might be to believe.

I?m normally nervous to disagree with you, Ludwig. Mainly because I appreciate your left field yet detailed analysis but after Thursday?s game and the news regarding Lloyd and the Suns, this is one I think is off the mark. I love the romantic notion of Aliir being a superstar but at this point he should be paid like a 20-28 ranked player. If I was a Zak Jones or Dane Rampe whose contracts expire next year, I?d be asking for significantly more than whatever Aliir gets this year.

[Ludwig]

I?m normally nervous to disagree with you, Ludwig. Mainly because I appreciate your left field yet detailed analysis but after Thursday?s game and the news regarding Lloyd and the Suns, this is one I think is off the mark. I love the romantic notion of Aliir being a superstar but at this point he should be paid like a 20-28 ranked player. If I was a Zak Jones or Dane Rampe whose contracts expire next year, I?d be asking for significantly more than whatever Aliir gets this year.

It's just a prediction. We will just have to wait a few years and see how things play out.

We don't know what Lloyd has been offered. The 1 million figure from GC could just be the difference between a 5 year contract vs a 3 year contract with both at 500 k pa. A lot of big offers are made on potential. Intercept markers are in vogue atm, which is why I think Aliir could get offers well above what he has produced so far. That said, Aliir is only a 19 senior game player and is looking pretty good on that basis. He's got a high ceiling.

In 2013 I said Lloyd was going to be a high quality player before he ever played a senior game. I'm less certain about Aliir. But I'm backing our development team to get Aliir to play up to his natural ability.

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Perhaps we can package up Robinson, Foote, Rose etc to Gold Coast for some draft picks?

Surely you jest, those three are worth zilch in trade terms, if GC wanted any of them we'd trade them for a sixth round pick we wouldn't use, just to get them there. They are free to good homes.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Massive fan of having players that can provide u with reliable, crafty exits / transitions

Effective Transitions are right up there and the players that can do it effectively week in week out are rare

Goals
Midfield dominance
Exits / transitions

Lloyd and macca are playing very very important roles in allowing us to to exit because when they have the ball our players (accept for last game) feel confident to break hard which then turns into points and or better field position

Conversely if players who are key roles in transitions don?t exude composure and effectiveness then our midfield and HFF don?t achieve the seperation from their tagger by not sprinting early on a break

The answer is successful top4 team quality transitions are imperative

The concern is that a team with out macca and Lloyd in the one season would be very vulnerable

In our team

Ollie could go back if need be and play Lloyd?s role..... I think well but time will tell.......then Linh or Stoddard and or Hayward would need to be the links

Jones gives us run

Mills in my opinion is no Lloyd. Mills is solid and more an inside player as a junior but not a 360 degree decision maker like Lloyd. Lloyd turns on a dime and is so both feet both hands

I will never forget Alistair Clarkson 2017 stating how much he rates Lloyds influence on our transitions ........and that when we played them last year with out Lloyd, the hawks decided to take more risk and high pressure on us........result the hawks created so much pressure on our exits we looked like a B grade team and the hawks won because our backline was not composed and effective in rebounding

[Markwebbos]

I think the Lloyd "offer" is BS. Gold Coast haven't offered anything YET, but Neil Cordy is writing about it. Where would this story originate? With GCS? Or with Jake Lloyd's manager, trying to push his price up. I can't imagine there are many players who'd want to move to the Gold Coast, even for loads of money. Unless he's given up on playing finals or winning anything.

I think it's actually been quite clever of Norf to make huge, public offers to Martin, Kelly etc. It means that if they miss out, the club they play for has to pay top dollar to hang onto the player, eating up space in their salary cap. Perhaps Dew knows how much / little space there is in ours and thinks it can't harm him either way to make a big offer to Lloyd. If Lloyd joins the Suns - great. If not, he costs the Swans more than we planned, may mean we can't afford to pay for a free agent / traded player.

I don't think we should under-estimate how important he is to our gameplan and how hard he would be to replace. He may not be the most talented, but he is more effective than some other more talented players - e.g. Rohan.