2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

I think we have to do anything we can to get both Blakey and either Walsh or Hately. We need another big bodied midfielder desperately. Either of those two boys could make an immediate impact.
I personally think that GCS will take a different draft approach this year. I believe they will go after established players in exchange for picks.
For two reasons.
1. Their high draft picks get poached back to their home states within a few years. So that is not exactly working for them.
2. I don't think Dew would want to go through a rebuild in his first senior gig. Could be a career killer.
So i think their 1st round pick/s will be on the table. If we can strike the right trade package of players and/or pick exchanges i think we can get their pick 3 from them. Players that i would be willing to sacrifice for the long term betterment of the team would be Lloyd, Reid and Rohan. Though I realise Reid and Rohan are contracted so agreement would be needed.

That would be the Swans deciding to rebuild, which we have avoided in the past. I think we will be going after some experienced players in this year’s trade period.

[waswan]

Hannas going nowhere
Dumbest thing ever would be to trade a guy a year into a longterm deal who has been assessed by everyone as injured

"Hawks could turn him around"
I could bloody turn him around wait til he isnt injured

Lloyd and Swans waiting on money terms i reckon sydney have their eye on someone from left field


End of the day whay they gave up for weller is a good starting point of

[Plugger46]

Buddy years hardly a failure. 2 Grand Finals- media lately saying we should have won at least 2 flags with him. Not superman. Another example of shallow journalism as if one player can make all the difference now with the way the game is played.

Exactly. If winning flags was as simple as getting Buddy, why wasn't everyone trying to get him? 2 flags a pass mark in an 18 team competition. What absolute nonsense.

[Flying South]

That would be the Swans deciding to rebuild, which we have avoided in the past. I think we will be going after some experienced players in this year’s trade period.

Not sure how that is a rebuild. Lloyd would be the only significant loss. And you have to give up something to work your way up the draft order. I believe that Rohan, Reid and Lloyd are replaceable within our current squad.
Reid - when Reid is on the park, he is a reasonable key forward. But, you may be surprised to know that he only averages 1.04 goals per game. I'm expecting a bit more than that from our 2nd key forward. Tim Membrey who we let go, averages 1.8. I'm hoping that McCartin, Amartey or Blakey can provide more score board pressure that Reid. And if Naismith can force his way back into the best 22, Sinclair can also play forward.
Rohan - I'm a fan, but he seems to have slipped in the pecking order. I just not sure where he fits in going forward. Whilst he applies fierce forward pressure, his tackles don't often stick. You can't afford to allow an opposition defence an easy exit. He's 27, we should try and get something for him whilst we can.
Lloyd - smart footballer who accumulates a lot of possessions of half back and wing. But are they damaging possessions? Rarely ventures in to the midfield to provide rotational support. I think that Mills can play that same role and better. The swans also extended Ling's contract so they must see something in him. I would not be unhappy if Lloyd stayed with the Swans, but as I said you have to give up something.

Our once star studded midfield is ageing and battered. Next year Kennedy will be 31, Hannebery 28 and Parker 27. They have thrown themselves into 1000's of contests over the years and their bodies are protesting. I'm mindful of doing the same to Heeney, Mills, Hewett and Florent. I'm hoping Dawson can continue his development. Though I saw a couple of worrying signs last week of him not hitting the contest hard. Walsh and Hately are going to be gun midfielders. Now is the time to chase one of them. And I'd be happy to give up any of Lloyd, Reid, Rohan, Towers, etc to get one of them.

[Markwebbos]

Not sure how that is a rebuild. Lloyd would be the only significant loss. And you have to give up something to work your way up the draft order. I believe that Rohan, Reid and Lloyd are replaceable within our current squad.
Reid - when Reid is on the park, he is a reasonable key forward. But, you may be surprised to know that he only averages 1.04 goals per game. I'm expecting a bit more than that from our 2nd key forward. Tim Membrey who we let go, averages 1.8. I'm hoping that McCartin, Amartey or Blakey can provide more score board pressure that Reid. And if Naismith can force his way back into the best 22, Sinclair can also play forward.
Rohan - I'm a fan, but he seems to have slipped in the pecking order. I just not sure where he fits in going forward. Whilst he applies fierce forward pressure, his tackles don't often stick. You can't afford to allow an opposition defence an easy exit. He's 27, we should try and get something for him whilst we can.
Lloyd - smart footballer who accumulates a lot of possessions of half back and wing. But are they damaging possessions? Rarely ventures in to the midfield to provide rotational support. I think that Mills can play that same role and better. The swans also extended Ling's contract so they must see something in him. I would not be unhappy if Lloyd stayed with the Swans, but as I said you have to give up something.

Our once star studded midfield is ageing and battered. Next year Kennedy will be 31, Hannebery 28 and Parker 27. They have thrown themselves into 1000's of contests over the years and their bodies are protesting. I'm mindful of doing the same to Heeney, Mills, Hewett and Florent. I'm hoping Dawson can continue his development. Though I saw a couple of worrying signs last week of him not hitting the contest hard. Walsh and Hately are going to be gun midfielders. Now is the time to chase one of them. And I'd be happy to give up any of Lloyd, Reid, Rohan, Towers, etc to get one of them.

I think Swans are already close to being in rebuild territory largely for the reasons you've outlined = underperforming and/or unable to get on the park Rohan, Reid, Hanners, Jack, Macca etc. If you trade out / force into retirement those players and add Lloyd (who came second in our B&F last year) to the list, then we'd be fielding something as young or younger than the side that lost to Essendon. A side that's probably too young to be competitive in the short term.

Question then is whether you replace those older players with highly talented kids, which I think would mean potentially a year or two of missing finals (aka rebuild) or you go after some older, harder players via trade / free agency in the hope of remaining competitive. With free agency, you could potentially have your cake and eat it, by getting in a Libba / Dahlhaus without giving up any draft picks, providing you have salary cap space.

Your point re: Reid is an interesting one. Assuming Naismith gets back next year we then all of a sudden have the luxury of playing Sinkers as a forward-ruck, although I'm not sure he's good enough as a key position player.

[caj23]

Your point re: Reid is an interesting one. Assuming Naismith gets back next year we then all of a sudden have the luxury of playing Sinkers as a forward-ruck, although I'm not sure he's good enough as a key position player.

You can't play Naismith and Sinclair in the same team as Naismith is incapable of contributing as a forward option, he's a ruckman only

I don't really see much of a future for big Sam unless some of the proposed rule changes mean that dinosaur ruckmen are back in vogue

[Markwebbos]

You can't play Naismith and Sinclair in the same team as Naismith is incapable of contributing as a forward option, he's a ruckman only

I don't really see much of a future for big Sam unless some of the proposed rule changes mean that dinosaur ruckmen are back in vogue

Is he really that hopeless around the ground?

[caj23]

Is he really that hopeless around the ground?

His career averages are as follows:

Kicks 3.4
Handballs 5.5
Disposals 8.9
Marks 1.8
Goals .1
Tackles 2.9
Hitouts 25

His best game ever is 12 disposals and 4 marks

I rest my case

[S.S. Bleeder]

Exactly. If winning flags was as simple as getting Buddy, why wasn't everyone trying to get him? 2 flags a pass mark in an 18 team competition. What absolute nonsense.

As far as I'm concerned we did win 2016. The premiership just isn't recognised that's all.

[Flying South]

I think Swans are already close to being in rebuild territory largely for the reasons you've outlined = underperforming and/or unable to get on the park Rohan, Reid, Hanners, Jack, Macca etc. If you trade out / force into retirement those players and add Lloyd (who came second in our B&F last year) to the list, then we'd be fielding something as young or younger than the side that lost to Essendon. A side that's probably too young to be competitive in the short term.

Question then is whether you replace those older players with highly talented kids, which I think would mean potentially a year or two of missing finals (aka rebuild) or you go after some older, harder players via trade / free agency in the hope of remaining competitive. With free agency, you could potentially have your cake and eat it, by getting in a Libba / Dahlhaus without giving up any draft picks, providing you have salary cap space.

Your point re: Reid is an interesting one. Assuming Naismith gets back next year we then all of a sudden have the luxury of playing Sinkers as a forward-ruck, although I'm not sure he's good enough as a key position player.

Some interesting points. If we could trade for a quality inside mid around age 22-24 that would be ideal. But if they are any good, clubs usually don't let them go. Or you've got to pay them big dollars to attract them.
Libba and Dahlhaus could bring something immediately but i have question marks around them. To me Dahl is more a HF that provides midfield support. I think we are well stock with those types in Ronke and Papley. If Libba hasn't been a consistent member of the bulldogs team whats he going to bring to Swans.
Although Walsh or Hately are young, they are Afl ready. Obviously still need to be managed. But they can make an immediate impact.
I would still prefer Sinkers as main ruckman, but just saying we have forward alternatives if big Sam was fit.

[CureTheSane]

No Libba's at the Swans ever.
They scratch

[111431]

Fully agree re Naismith- one dimensional players can’t survive

[troyjones2525]

Some interesting points. If we could trade for a quality inside mid around age 22-24 that would be ideal. But if they are any good, clubs usually don't let them go. Or you've got to pay them big dollars to attract them.
Libba and Dahlhaus could bring something immediately but i have question marks around them. To me Dahl is more a HF that provides midfield support. I think we are well stock with those types in Ronke and Papley. If Libba hasn't been a consistent member of the bulldogs team whats he going to bring to Swans.
Although Walsh or Hately are young, they are Afl ready. Obviously still need to be managed. But they can make an immediate impact.
I would still prefer Sinkers as main ruckman, but just saying we have forward alternatives if big Sam was fit.

Instead of Hatley I like the look of Riley Collier-Dawkins. He's a 193cm midfielder with some similarities to the Bont although is a right footer. His highlight video on YouTube from the National Championships looks good and he appears to have clean hands, a good decision maker, good speed for his size and most importantly good foot skills.

If he isn't a huge bolter like some of the big midfielders have been in the past (Bont, Cripps, Oliver) to name a few, then I would think we should be a chance at nabbing him if we continue our slide down the ladder. But of course if that's who our recruiters like and chances are they won't as we never seem to take the players who I want us to draft (Higgins, Richards) last year to name a couple...

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[707]

The more I look at it, the more I'm comfortable with missing the finals where we are unlikely to get far anyway.

Our draft position gets stronger as we fall lending itself to some clever pre draft trading, we could even be in a position to snare a pick in advance of having to match for Nick Blakey and that could be a bonus that pays off for a dozen years.

The big wild card in this years trade period is Gold Coast who are now publicly threatening to match an offer for Tom Lynch but if they don't will almost certainly get pick 3 as compo and maybe another pick as a PP, particularly after last Saturday's debacle against the Blue debacles!

Gold Coast's situation means they could be up for some highly inventive pick/player trading that might work for us. Interesting trade period ahead, don't fall asleep!

[CureTheSane]

I'm not comfortable at all in missing finals.
Mentally the Swans see themselves as an elite team who makes finals every year.
I don't want to diminish that.
Even if that means winding up 8th during the finals.
But then I still have us as a lock for winning the flag this year