2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[crackedactor]

The big omission from hannes was no mention of “Paddy McCartin” in the emerging player group at Saints !! ......... no acres

Heard on SEN radio that St Kilda have just about got Shiels signed for pick 5 to GWS. So if they want Hannas it will have to be a trade player. McCartin, acres, billings?


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[barry]

Can't understand why shiel would leave a club in the premiership window for a struggler. Must be big money.

[caj23]

Heard on SEN radio that St Kilda have just about got Shiels signed for pick 5 to GWS. So if they want Hannas it will have to be a trade player. McCartin, acres, billings?


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We were never getting pick 5 for Hanners

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Can't understand why shiel would leave a club in the premiership window for a struggler. Must be big money.

Bingo

[707]

Only problem is that the Club might not want other clubs to be informed as it may impact on the club’s trade/recruitment strategy

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707, do recall what RO’K told us in person?

ROK said he was happy to stay if we couldn't get a fair trade done but he wanted more midfield time, which he got.

[707]

Can't understand why shiel would leave a club in the premiership window for a struggler. Must be big money.

The difference in dollars between a talent rich GWS and a lack of stars Saints could be $250k+/yr over 5 years. That's not insignificant money when you have to set up the rest of your life. Would also be going home.

Shiel knows a better placed Vic club won't offer as much money as Saints and couldn't get a trade done with GWS anyway.

From GWS viewpoint, they won't be able to match the RFA offers next year so would get a compo pick mid/high teens. Better to get pick 5 in a super draft and not have Shiel next year, their midfield is deep so won't be a huge loss when the "compo" is pick 5. Wonder if Saints will also extract a second from GWS to pay for Hanners?

[lwjoyner]

Re Sheils. Sts don't have pick 5 its 3.

[caj23]

The difference in dollars between a talent rich GWS and a lack of stars Saints could be $250k+/yr over 5 years. That's not insignificant money when you have to set up the rest of your life. Would also be going home.

Shiel knows a better placed Vic club won't offer as much money as Saints and couldn't get a trade done with GWS anyway.

From GWS viewpoint, they won't be able to match the RFA offers next year so would get a compo pick mid/high teens. Better to get pick 5 in a super draft and not have Shiel next year, their midfield is deep so won't be a huge loss when the "compo" is pick 5. Wonder if Saints will also extract a second from GWS to pay for Hanners?

If their salary cap is in check (and who knows the situation), they'd be morons not to hold Shiel to his contract

They are in premiership winning mode now, another high draft pick isn't going to help them, Dyan Shiel will

[barry]

The difference in dollars between a talent rich GWS and a lack of stars Saints could be $250k+/yr over 5 years. That's not insignificant money when you have to set up the rest of your life. Would also be going home.

He'll pay half in tax, so $125 k for 5 years = $625k, or a one bedroom flat in Campeltown.

AFL players have to forge a career after AFL. They dont earn enough to retire from work at 35. $625k over the rest of his working life (another 30 years) is only $20k per year. Invest in an uni education while playing would be a more estute move financially.
You only get a small shot at a premiership, and that memory last forever.

[Markwebbos]

Concurrence does not equal causation, and concurrence does not define motivation.

I’m not suggesting that’s why Shaw left, but it does imply he didn’t see things the same way as Longmire.

[KSAS]

I was a bit surprised when Paul Connors said Sheil won't be dealing with Swans, considering he & his girlfriend are happy to stay in Sydney and we will have cap space to make him an attractive offer. It seems bit at odds imo. This insuates both club & player don't want to deal with us regardless.

[ernie koala]

He'll pay half in tax, so $125 k for 5 years = $625k, or a one bedroom flat in Campeltown.

AFL players have to forge a career after AFL. They dont earn enough to retire from work at 35. $625k over the rest of his working life (another 30 years) is only $20k per year. Invest in an uni education while playing would be a more estute move financially.
You only get a small shot at a premiership, and that memory last forever.

What you overlook is the extra exposure playing in footy mad Melbourne gives good players.

This can be used, and often is, to prepell their future careers...Especially if they wish to remain in the footy industry. But not exclusive to it.

Some take advantage of their notoriety and put their money into Restaurants, bars etc.

Many a career has been forged on the back of footy in Melbourne.

Hannebery alluded to this in an interview recently, when giving his reasons for wanting to return to Melbourne.

[AnnieH]

It’s a reverse ROK. ROK wanted out and we forced him to stay. I think the ending to the Hanners story will be different for both player and club.

I'm pretty sure we didn't force him to stay... I think it was more of a case of he was maybe asking a bit overs and no one else wanted him at that price.

[Plugger46]

Can't understand why shiel would leave a club in the premiership window for a struggler. Must be big money.

Richmond were a struggler two years ago. The 'Dogs won the flag two years ago and are now a struggler. The game can and does change pretty quickly at times.

[dejavoodoo44]

Re Sheils. Sts don't have pick 5 its 3.

True, but I think that people have been working on the assumption, that the Lynch compensation pick will bump them to 4. Not sure where the other bump is coming from?

[AnnieH]

I was a bit surprised when Paul Connors said Sheil won't be dealing with Swans, considering he & his girlfriend are happy to stay in Sydney and we will have cap space to make him an attractive offer. It seems bit at odds imo. This insuates both club & player don't want to deal with us regardless.

Yeah, well, we don't want to deal with grubby, dirty them.
They have all the manufactured talent in the world... and they use grubby and dirty to win games (Stevie J, I'm looking directly at you).
I'm pretty sure there's a clause in the no dickheads policy that bans us from even dealing with dickheads.

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What you overlook is the extra exposure playing in footy mad Melbourne gives good players.

This can be used, and often is, to prepell their future careers...Especially if they wish to remain in the footy industry. But not exclusive to it.

Some take advantage of their notoriety and put their money into Restaurants, bars etc.

Many a career has been forged on the back of footy in Melbourne.

Hannebery alluded to this in an interview recently, when giving his reasons for wanting to return to Melbourne.

Hanners has a marketing degree... at the Redback cocktail function earlier this year, he spent a bit of time talking marketing with my plus one.
He didn't mention anything about wanting to do marketing in Melbourne - in fact, he said he'd like to talk to my friend about working in Sydney.
Ah... how the story changes in the space of six months!!