2019 NEAFL discussion thread

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Didn't Sam Reid at GWS get de-listed, go on to coaching staff and then get redrafted as a player again? Without knowing details of his injury/body issues, it's not beyond imagining that Lloyd Perris could do the same. He certainly looked promising as a rookie and the fact that he's been employed as a coach suggests he has an excellent footy brain. I thought that's what you might be getting at, liz.

Indeed the GWS Sam Reid did retire, become a player welfare manager but also played the season in their NEAFL team and did well enough to get redrafted and now is a mainstay of their defence. The aforementioned Dylan Addison is the current GWS player welfare manager.

The other Sun comes to mind now - it was Eddie Sansbury who let's just say looked like his best and fittest days were well behind him.

A few weeks ago the Swans played Daniel Ryall as a topup in the match at Metricon. That named sounded familiar to me so I looked him up and he turns out to be a former Eastlake player and coach who is now a player development manager at the Swans.

https://au.linkedin.com/in/daniel-ryall-286930b6

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/eastlake-veterans-dan-ryall-and-justin-mesman-eye-dream-farewell-20180904-p501q5.html

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[bloodspirit]

Looks like Wicks is doing a lot right but perhaps not all that is being asked of him.

I haven't watched the game yet but I like that they recognised Pink for his shutdown role despite him barely having a stat to show for it. Sacrificed his own game for the benefit of the team. That's what is required. I wonder whether this increases his chances of promotion to the senior list, especially given our relative shortage of KPDs?

From a team point of view the killer stat is our low efficiency going inside 50. Not sure if they set up better or if our ball use and skill execution was worse or all of the above.

[barracuda]

Looks like Wicks is doing a lot right but perhaps not all that is being asked of him.

I haven't watched the game yet but I like that they recognised Pink for his shutdown role despite him barely having a stat to show for it. Sacrificed his own game for the benefit of the team. That's what is required. I wonder whether this increases his chances of promotion to the senior list, especially given our relative shortage of KPDs?

From a team point of view the killer stat is our low efficiency going inside 50. Not sure if they set up better or if our ball use and skill execution was worse or all of the above.

I don't think the coaches pick the best players. The swans website never quotes these best players. I think the bests are picked by one of the elderly swans fans, I have seen him with a clipboard doing it. I also understand that the swans internally do their own rankings and Wicks is consistently up towards the top. The old guy doing the bests doesn't understand the value of grunt work and tackling vs outside running and goal scoring.

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Looks like Wicks is doing a lot right but perhaps not all that is being asked of him.

I haven't watched the game yet but I like that they recognised Pink for his shutdown role despite him barely having a stat to show for it. Sacrificed his own game for the benefit of the team. That's what is required. I wonder whether this increases his chances of promotion to the senior list, especially given our relative shortage of KPDs?

From a team point of view the killer stat is our low efficiency going inside 50. Not sure if they set up better or if our ball use and skill execution was worse or all of the above.

If you look at the season stats, Wicks has smashed it, particularly in tackling (he is a pressure forward), however he has made bests only a couple of times.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Looks like Pink is coming along beautifully. The seniors are crying out for a big shutdown defender. For those in the know does he have potential to make the next step?

[Mark26]

Looks like Pink is coming along beautifully. The seniors are crying out for a big shutdown defender. For those in the know does he have potential to make the next step?

I wouldn't call myself in the know, but I'd consider Pink's game to be more robust since making the switch from attack to defence. He's a good size for a KPD and does a lot of things well, but I'd like to see him dominate as a KPD in the NEAFL in 2020 before giving a senior's gig. I think Maibaum was closer to the call up than Pink, but he was injured for most of the year. It will be interesting to see who we retain.

[rb4x]

Pink is already a three year rookie so our only options are promote, trade or delist. Can always delist and then redraft as a rookie but that runs the risk of him being snapped up by another team. I would promote him as I think we are going to have space on our list and he should offer more than a 4th round draftee.

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We have named five ruckmen. Brisbane have named all listed players (although they should have 2 topups playing once teams are finalised)

Sydney Swans (3rd) v Brisbane Lions (1st) at Tramway Oval, 10.15am
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SYDNEY
B: 51. R Barkley 6. J Thurlow 48. M Knoll
HB: 16. Z Foot 47. T Pink 52. E Gulden
C: 32. J Bell 1. J Rose 27. J McInerney
HF: 60. S Gaden 46. J Amartey 57. M Geddes
F: 17. D Cameron 41. H McLean 4. R Clarke
R: 35. S Naismith 45. S Wicks 19. M Ling
Int: 55. C Kilpatrick 54. K Martin 53. K McKellar 50. S Thorne 58. R van Huisstede
Emg: 56. M Rossmann
In: 32. J Bell 52. E Gulden 55. C Kilpatrick 57. M Geddes 4. R Clarke 54. K Martin 60. S Gaden 35. S Naismith
Out: 49. C Hirst 33. R Stoddart 56. C Flanagan (all injured) 55. B Campbell 52. N Brewer 54. J Barling 60. H Ellem 57. L Parks (all omitted)
New: 52. E Gulden
BRISBANE
B: 26. T Cutler 41. M Eagles 35. R Lester
HB: 19. J Allison 40. J Payne 18. N Robertson
C: 22. M Hinge 8. E Smith 34. T Wooller
HF: 38. C Ballenden 47. T Fullarton 1. B Keays
F: 4. R Bastinac 21. S Skinner 13. T Berry
R: 44. A Smith 45. C McFadyen 39. C Lyons
Int (from): 43. N Answerth 33. Z Bailey 20. C Cox 36. R Mathieson 16. C Rayner 37. B Starcevich 28. L Taylor 14. J Walker
Emg: 51. K Coleman 53. N Cumberland 42. J Madden 52. W Martyn
In: 43. N Answerth 16. C Rayner 33. Z Bailey
Out: Nil.

[troyjones2525]

Errol Gulden's debut! At least it's an excuse to watch what will most likely be a massacre! Lol.

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[bloodspirit]

Yep, just as well we've qualified for finals already - although looks like we're not likely to make too big a dent in the finals this year. Brisbane will surely be rampaging favourites so long as their senior team is still in contention too.

[mcs]

Yep, just as well we've qualified for finals already - although looks like we're not likely to make too big a dent in the finals this year. Brisbane will surely be rampaging favourites so long as their senior team is still in contention too.

Brisbane have undoubtedly been blessed by a great year injuries wise, but they are building some damn impressive depth. Some very decent footballer in their team for tomorrow, and we are a good chance to get a real belting as a result.

[barracuda]

It will certainly be interesting what tactics the swans use to try to be competitive. They certainly have some height.

[Ralph Dawg]

I'm not up with the rules surrounding finals eligibilities. What are they? And what would a potential finals lineup look like? Thanks guys in advance for the answers!

[dejavoodoo44]

I'm not up with the rules surrounding finals eligibilities. What are they? And what would a potential finals lineup look like? Thanks guys in advance for the answers!

This seems to be the relevant bit of the NEAFL rule book. I say 'seems to be', because anything more than a few lines of legalese, has my attention wandering far away.

FINALS ELIGIBILITY
(a) Any under 18 academy player/under 19 approved academy player does not have to play any
Competition home and away matches to qualify.
(b) Any listed player must have played a minimum of three (3) Competition home and away
Matches for the club to qualify to play in the Competition finals series.
(c) In the event a listed player has played five (5) matches or more in the AFL, he must have played
at least nine (9) Competition home and away Matches to qualify to play in the Competition finals
series.
(d) Notwithstanding anything within these Rules, should an AFL Club listed player not be selected to
play for his AFL Club in an AFL match, that player will be eligible to play in the Competition finals
series Match with the AFL Club Reserves team that same weekend, irrespective of whether or
not he has played in a Competition Match that season.
(e) A primary or rookie listed AFL player is eligible to play in the Competition finals series Match
where there is a bye/week off in the AFL competition provided he has not played in an AFL team
in the week prior to the Competition finals match, irrespective of whether or not he has played in
a Competition Match that season. For clarity, this means that any primary or rookie listed AFL
player who did play AFL in the week prior to the Competition finals match is not eligible.

[liz]

The players who have played both senior and NEAFL footy (and thus for whom clause c) comes into play are:
Jack
Melican
Stoddart
McInerny
Bell
Rose
McLean
Rowbottom
Menzel

Of those, Bell, Stoddart (who is currently injured anyway - not sure how "season ending" that might be), McLean and McInerney all played fewer than five senior game so will be eligible for NEAFL finals regardless of how many senior games they played.

Without counting, Rose might have got to five senior games but has probably played nine or more NEAFL games. Melican I doubt played nine NEAFL games so won't be eligible.

The rest (Rowbottom, Jack, Menzel) are probably right on the cusp. In the past, players who have finished the season entrenched in the senior team haven't participated in the finals even when technically eligible. I very much Jack would want to anyway. He'd rather end his career on Saturday in a blaze of senior glory.