2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[0918330512]

Papley has to be our priority. Players of his quality and type don't come along too often. He kicked 38 goals as a small forward and he hasn't peaked.

37. & hopefully you’re right but there are no certainties.

If he follows his form improvement and we get a decent season from Buddy he should kick 50 goals in 2020.

A better season from Buddy doesn’t mean Papley kicks more goals. It’s a fair chance that a full season from Buddy where he is playing well means Papley will have fewer opportunities to score goals.

That is an enormous return for a small forward. That sort of return means we make finals.

That’s an even more enormous assumption

Jones is no way going to give us anywhere near this output as a midfielder, and for that matter anywhere else on the field.

Can’t disagree on that point

Daniher has played 11 games in 2 years. The retention of Papley at all costs is a no brainer to me.

Not at all costs. You would offer him a Buddy-like contract. So work down from there to calculate what you would offer Papley ... and then when you come to a figure, work out who else you might get for the same money

[Auntie.Gerald]

Had a chat to a very reliable person Re JD

They said JD wants to stay in melb

Sydney are prepared to offer a longer contract etc which is making it real to move to the harbour city

Hence the media tail spin

[Ralph Dawg]

If Papley wants to go, fine, but it must be on terms favourable to us.

He came to us as a rookie pick. No other club wanted him and we were the ones to give him a shot. Possibly, if not for us, he would still be a plumber working for a wage as opposed to a well paid footballer, playing a game for a living. We can't have players we have developed and given opportunity to leave for nothing.

If he wants out, we must extract proper compensation. If this is not forthcoming, then he stays. It can't be too bad for him in Sydney. He happily came when he was a nobody, yet now he is in demand he is homesick? Cry me a blood river.

[stellation]

I wonder if that longer than first expected contract with the extra 4 years is weighing on Papley a little; presumably it's commensurate with what he's earning now, which I imagine is a fair amount less than the Victorian clubs are whispering in his ear. If the gap is $200k p.a. (I imagine it would be a bit more than that) over 5 years then it's a big amount to weigh on a young man's mind.

[Ralph Dawg]

I wonder if that longer than first expected contract with the extra 4 years is weighing on Papley a little; presumably it's commensurate with what he's earning now, which I imagine is a fair amount less than the Victorian clubs are whispering in his ear. If the gap is $200k p.a. (I imagine it would be a bit more than that) over 5 years then it's a big amount to weigh on a young man's mind.

If that's the case, the club can re negotiate the terms of his contract. I would be the first to say he's worth alot more now than when we signed him.

[waswan]

The irony of the Papley contract seemingly being an issue for Paps due to the length is that the trigger clause would have been insisted by him and his management during contract negotiations.

So you got what you wanted and it now cant be an issue for you.

I have no time in trading for a 1st round pick that may/may not come off in 3yrs time then may/may not want to go home then

You got a long term contract from a being in the wilderness 3 yrs ago, let the club worry about the players that dont have contracts

[Ludwig]

I wonder if that longer than first expected contract with the extra 4 years is weighing on Papley a little; presumably it's commensurate with what he's earning now, which I imagine is a fair amount less than the Victorian clubs are whispering in his ear. If the gap is $200k p.a. (I imagine it would be a bit more than that) over 5 years then it's a big amount to weigh on a young man's mind.

Has there been any report that money is an issue regarding Papley's contract? There hasn't been a squeak of a problem from the Papley camp, nor the Swans. He just extended his contract, so one would imagine that extension came with an acceptable amount of compensation.

There's too much chatter not to think that there's some truth that Paps would be interested in a move to Melbourne, but I don't think money is an issue. The contract length make the Swans' negotiation hand more powerful and runs counter to the logic of Paps wanting a change clubs. I think he really loves the Swans. There are other people that are instigating this supposed desire to go home.

[stellation]

Has there been any report that money is an issue regarding Papley's contract? There hasn't been a squeak of a problem from the Papley camp, nor the Swans. He just extended his contract, so one would imagine that extension came with an acceptable amount of compensation.

There's too much chatter not to think that there's some truth that Paps would be interested in a move to Melbourne, but I don't think money is an issue. The contract length make the Swans' negotiation hand more powerful and runs counter to the logic of Paps wanting a change clubs. I think he really loves the Swans. There are other people that are instigating this supposed desire to go home.

No, purely speculating- he signed his extension last year and presumably would have commanded more after this season (and more again if there's multiple Victorian clubs). The amount Tom would have been able to get from us to sign an extension last year would be a fair bit less than he'd get this year (particularly factoring what looks to be strong interest from elsewhere), if he is tied in to it for a number of years I imagine that could be a sticking point.

[Blood Fever]

No, purely speculating- he signed his extension last year and presumably would have commanded more after this season (and more again if there's multiple Victorian clubs). The amount Tom would have been able to get from us to sign an extension last year would be a fair bit less than he'd get this year (particularly factoring what looks to be strong interest from elsewhere), if he is tied in to it for a number of years I imagine that could be a sticking point.

If it wasn't for the Swans, he would still be in Bunyip. Other clubs may be turning his head but he agreed to the new contract. Can't have everything and he's doing ok with his guaranteed four years.

[giant]

Papley has to be our priority. Players of his quality and type don't come along too often. He kicked 38 goals as a small forward and he hasn't peaked. If he follows his form improvement and we get a decent season from Buddy he should kick 50 goals in 2020. That is an enormous return for a small forward. That sort of return means we make finals. Jones is no way going to give us anywhere near this output as a midfielder, and for that matter anywhere else on the field. Daniher has played 11 games in 2 years. The retention of Papley at all costs is a no brainer to me.

IIRC he was the last player taken in the rookie draft. Players of his quality and type come up all the time.

Hell, we have one (another rookie gem) in our own squad right now - while it wasn't a great year for Ronke, I could argue that his skills could exceed those of Papley's.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Finals Flashback: Papley and McGlynn - sydneyswans.com.au

[Blood Fever]

IIRC he was the last player taken in the rookie draft. Players of his quality and type come up all the time.

Hell, we have one (another rookie gem) in our own squad right now - while it wasn't a great year for Ronke, I could argue that his skills could exceed those of Papley's.

Hope I'm wrong but I reckon Ronke will be lucky to stay on the list after next year. Not in the same class as Papley.

[stevoswan]

Hope I'm wrong but I reckon Ronke will be lucky to stay on the list after next year. Not in the same class as Papley.

+1

[Ludwig]

Hope I'm wrong but I reckon Ronke will be lucky to stay on the list after next year. Not in the same class as Papley.

I would beg to differ. He probably won't be as good as Papley, but that's hardly the point. It's really not fair comparing a 23 yo with 82 games experience and a 21 yo with 31 games experience. Ronke has real talent, a good sense for goal, good pace and a strong determination to succeed. Ronke had an exceptionally good 1st AFL season last year (played NEAFL in 2017). I don't know why he started this year so slowly, but he had a much improved 2nd half of the season after he came back in the senior side. I don't see why Ronke couldn't go on to surpass his 2018 form and become a very good consistent player.

[Kafka's Ghost]

If Carlton are throwing big money at Martin and are trying to entice Papley, it won’t be too long before they’ll be in serious salary cap trouble. McGovern must be on a pretty penny, and then keeping the Curnows, Cripps and McKay won’t be cheap. Assuming, of course, they don’t fudge it...,.