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  • Blood Fever
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 4050

    Originally posted by Markwebbos
    I also wonder if the state of Buddy’s body is a factor in wanting JD at the Swans in 2020 rather than 2021?
    Probably. If they were both fit, it would be awesome. Midfield still a worry. They could be both stranded up there for periods of the game!

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    • Markwebbos
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      Originally posted by liz
      Not sure that follows. I hope his reasons for wanting a move are more than just frustration with injury. Of course, if he does play the majority of next year with the Bombers and they enjoy some success, there's a chance he could change his mind. If so, so be it. But there has to be something attractive to him about moving to Sydney (the city and the club).
      I think it is more than just injury frustration, but I suspect thinks will look different if he’s back playing regularly, and his desire to leave will be diminished.

      There is also the possibility he was discussing with Harley coming to the Swans as a FA next year and events have forced everyone’s hand in a way they wish they hadn’t. The Buddy deal took more than a year to arrange. If that is true I’d love to see the Swans call Essendon’s bluff, but think it’s unlikely.

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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9359

        Originally posted by Markwebbos
        I also wonder if the state of Buddy’s body is a factor in wanting JD at the Swans in 2020 rather than 2021?
        This has sadly been part of the Swans' philosophy: If you have a lot of injury prone players in a given position, the solution is to get more of them in the hope that maybe one of them will be okay to play. That led the situation where we had 6 ruckmen on our list one year.

        Anyway, there wouldn't have been an announcement that Daniher wants to come to Sydney without prior discussions about what the deal might be. So I'm expecting Daniher to be a Swan next year. I don't agree with it, but can only hope he's fit and good fortune comes out of this.

        I was really pleased when we landed Buddy. And Joe is a very talented player. But, there are just too many buts in this deal.

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        • KSAS
          Senior Player
          • Mar 2018
          • 1793

          I'm hoping the JD deal doesn't get done & EFC hold him to his contract. Not comfortable with all this multi picks talk to EFC when JD will be FA in 12 months. Crazy. I'm also hoping we hold Papley to his 4 year contract. The most I would offer for JD right now is our 2nd round pick 25. EFC can take it or leave it as we're in position of power with him coming into FA. I want us to keep pick 5 for to get Serong (also a Swans supporter) as we are in desperate need of quality midfielders and NOT KPF.

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          • Melbourne_Blood
            Senior Player
            • May 2010
            • 3312

            Another concern is what we will be offering him money wise . Surely they aren’t going to be giving him 900k , which is what he is supposedly on now


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            • Markwebbos
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2016
              • 7186

              Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
              Another concern is what we will be offering him money wise . Surely they aren’t going to be giving him 900k , which is what he is supposedly on now


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              You’d hope a heavily incentivised contract rather than a Hanners-At-Saints $800k for 2 games scenario.

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              • Ralph Dawg
                Senior Player
                • Apr 2018
                • 1729

                Originally posted by Ludwig
                Anyway, there wouldn't have been an announcement that Daniher wants to come to Sydney without prior discussions about what the deal might be. So I'm expecting Daniher to be a Swan next year. I don't agree with it, but can only hope he's fit and good fortune comes out of this.
                This is definitely true. Negotiations would be pretty advanced. It's most probably why all the talk about Paps has been going on because what we get for him from Carlton will be integral to getting this deal done. I wonder if we hadn't gone after Daniher whether Paps would really want to leave us? Maybe the club identified him as someone with trade currency and have rolled the dice - Papley (+/- pick 5) out, Daniher in?

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                • barry
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 8499

                  Don't overrated picks to much.

                  Pick 5 might be a gun, who wants to go back to Melbourne after 2 years.

                  At least Joe want to live in Sydney.

                  If we wait until next year, giants may offer up a Cameron/daniher swap.

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                  • Aprilbr
                    Senior Player
                    • Oct 2016
                    • 1803

                    If we wait till next year, there are so many possible scenarios - some good; some bad. For example, as a free agent other teams will make big offers for him knowing they don't have to give up draft picks. Essendon could patch things up with him.

                    Recruiting a player is always a calculated gamble. Some pay off and others don't. The teams that are most consistently successful seem to have more wins than the rest. But even they don't get it right all of the time. I see this as potentially the biggest recruiting risk of a big name player we have taken since Barry Hall. He came with a lot of baggage but delivered in spades for most of his time with us. Tippett, Lockett and Buddy were less risky but as we know Tippett was cruelled by injury. The other two were awesome recruits.

                    My feelings on this are mixed. I love the excitement of a top liner coming to our Club. I worry about what we may have to give up to get him. Papley is now almost certainly gone.

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                    • rb4x
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 968

                      Wonder if the reason Daniher wants to live in Sydney is being driven by partner.

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                      • Captain
                        Captain of the Side
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 3602

                        This is amazing. Really excited to be getting him on board.

                        Pick 5 should be enough.

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                        • caj23
                          Senior Player
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 2462

                          Pick 5 plus next years first rounder
                          Keep Paps if possible (or at least don’t trade until Joe deal done)
                          Saints 2020 2nd rounder to get us points for academy boys

                          McCartin plays CHB key defender issue solved ??
                          Daniher plays part time ruck and deep forward
                          Buddy plays high half forward, we are no longer Buddy centric up forward ??
                          No 2nd ruck required ??
                          2 young academy mids coming 2020 ??
                          Still have pick 25 ??
                          Still have enough points for academy boys in 2020 ??

                          Simples

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                          • Auntie.Gerald
                            Veterans List
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 6480

                            The killer for the defence of most teams will be marking up for periods of the game vs two serious game destroyers upfront

                            Two battle ships up front who just happen to like different sides of the arc for their set shots makes a zone defence tricky and even harder for the loose defender to choose which side he will zone

                            Add in the other emerging long kick in Dawson exiting from our HBF who can genuinely find Bud or Daniher in the lead

                            It’s hot in the city if they are on the footy pitch at the same time
                            "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                            • Melbourne_Blood
                              Senior Player
                              • May 2010
                              • 3312

                              Originally posted by caj23
                              Pick 5 plus next years first rounder
                              Keep Paps if possible (or at least don’t trade until Joe deal done)
                              Saints 2020 2nd rounder to get us points for academy boys

                              McCartin plays CHB key defender issue solved [emoji3581]
                              Daniher plays part time ruck and deep forward
                              Buddy plays high half forward, we are no longer Buddy centric up forward [emoji3581]
                              No 2nd ruck required [emoji3581]
                              2 young academy mids coming 2020 [emoji3581]
                              Still have pick 25 [emoji3581]
                              Still have enough points for academy boys in 2020 [emoji3581]

                              Simples
                              Two first rounders ? Are you an Essendon plant ? Overs surely . Pick 5 or see ya next year. Or if paps leaves , 9 & 23 .


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                              • Blood Fever
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 4050

                                Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                                The killer for the defence of most teams will be marking up for periods of the game vs two serious game destroyers upfront

                                Two battle ships up front who just happen to like different sides of the arc for their set shots makes a zone defence tricky and even harder for the loose defender to choose which side he will zone

                                Add in the other emerging long kick in Dawson exiting from our HBF who can genuinely find Bud or Daniher in the lead

                                It’s hot in the city if they are on the footy pitch at the same time
                                All good but midfield still a concern, especially speed wise. Hope Jones is salvageable.

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