2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Mel_C]

Could you really handle having to watch Brown’s run up every week?

Especially on the SCG...he would have to start his run up from the opposition 50!!

[Ludwig]

Putting a lot of faith in Oriordan, Stoddart, Ling and Amartey. Mills is a star down back. Blakey will play midfield so Daniher could fit in up forward. McInerney earmarked for HBF. Love Papley to round it off.

Of course this exercise includes projections for player development. What else can you do with such a young team?

More specifically, to your question:

1. O'Riordan has already established himself in the side after on 15 senior games. He's a solid player and could be a star in a few season.
2. I'm convinced that Stoddart is a very good player. Once he learns that he can't break the lines at AFL level like he does in the NEAFL, he will settle in nicely. He's got all the tools.
3. Ling has run into a bit of bad luck with his 2 injuries. But neither injury was indicative of any inherent physical problem. We've seen very little of Ling, but we extended his contract a year in his first pre-season. He's impressed the coaches. Hopefully his luck changes next year and he can go full on and show why we took him over Ed Richards.
4. Amartey has received a lot of praise from the NEAFL coaches, especially Lloyd Perris. He will take time to develop. He may not even get a senior game next year, especially with Daniher coming on board, but I've been impressed with his development so far. He's got the skills an athleticism to make a real impact at AFL once he fills out physically.

[MattW]

The one that I've been enjoying recently is Beresford 2016. I'm not sure how widely available it is, as I only get it from Southport Sharks? But it has all the varietal characteristics and is very good value at just over $20 a bottle. Even better value, when I pay for it with bottle shop vouchers, that were won playing trivia. And I think that the 2015 was even better, if any's still around.

Perhaps that could be our offer for Daniher? A second round pick and a few cases of McLaren Vale Shiraz to share around.

General update: Real Footy (AFL) on Twitter: "Western Bulldogs holding line on Josh Bruce as clock ticks for Saints @petryan https://t.co/8rrzmKvlHK via @theage"

[Auntie.Gerald]

Ludwig
If the team has such a strong trajectory as u intimate and given that drafting may take some time to bear fruit vs paps and jones ability right now

Do you think we should maybe go hard line with what we expect and be a little more extreme ?

We say no to Jones that we are not trading for a pick 30ish and we are going to match any money from the Saints and we will review again next year.

Should we say to Papley exactly the same. We will review again next year. We are not giving u up as a 9 pick in a week draft. We would rather that pick next year when we really need it for our two talked about academy players

Also No to JD !!

We go to the draft with Picks:

5
25
44
62 knights a year early so ready to trade jones next year
63 Taylor a year early so ready to trade paps next year
Bennell ?
Oconnor Cat B

This also gives our squad serious competition for spots and intensity to perform every week

This is not my preference but we don’t loose two important players in particular Papley who is very important

[troyjones2525]

I agree.

I think we should back away from any trade that doesn't suit the club. A few months ago, none of us were thinking that we would lose Papley or be in the market for Daniher, and were happy enough to continue down the road we are headed.

I would take pick 9 for Papley, but if we can't get that done, then he can try again next year. Maybe he'll break up with his girlfriend (similar to the claim that maybe JD will stay and fall in love with Essendon again).

I think we will find a reasonable deal for Jones. If not, I think he would sign on for another year and we can try again next year. In 2 years he'll be a free agent and can determine his own destiny. I don't think he's desperate to move back to Melbourne. I never heard the term homesickness come up in the media. It's more a matter of being a bigger fish in his pond.

I would prefer that Daniher stays at Essendon, so any deal is a bad one from my perspective. It's not that Joe is not a real talent when fit, and it's not even that much of a fitness issue, but rather, I don't agree it's the best way for us going forward.

I agree with troyjones that we just take some good picks to the draft and back our guys to land some more talent. We have a young team and if we continue building through the draft it will all come together at the right time, which is probably when Richmond will start wilting. It would be nice to win a premiership next year, but losing touch with reality can make for poor decisions. I hope our management team down fall into that trap.

One of the big downsides of backing a team from the northern states is having to listen to 'birthright' arguments from the Melbourne media. Melbourne teams should stick to their guns and never let players get away with extracting every last ounce of blood from their non-Victorian suitors. Conversely, any Gold Coast player should be allowed to return home to Melbourne whenever they wish and accept whatever's on offer.

We should be more like Freo. How did they get pick 2 for Lachie Weller? Now they're playing hardball with the Hill trade. We never seem to be the ones extracting the most from our trading. Geelong is another club that are fair traders.

If we are falling behind our competitors, it's partly because we haven't milked players the expansion clubs of their best players. No one is doing us any favours and we can't afford to give away anything to satisfy birthright entitlements.

More than any other team sport, with 18 players on the ground, is truly a team sport. One player, however great doesn't make a great team. There is a real advantage of building a team via the draft and having them come through together, learning over a period a years of how the play together as a team. Something at Swanland must be visioning a miracle with a Buddy/Daniher forward line, like the vision of Buddy/Tippett/Reid forward line. It a great dream, until you wake up to find that ll you have is a big headache.

+1

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[waswan]

Carlton get Papley and Pick 44
Essendon get Phillips and Pick 9
Sydney get Danniher and Carlton future 2nd

[Auntie.Gerald]

Waswan

Do u mean tom Phillips from the pies or andrew Phillips from the blues ?

[Blood Fever]

Of course this exercise includes projections for player development. What else can you do with such a young team?

More specifically, to your question:

1. O'Riordan has already established himself in the side after on 15 senior games. He's a solid player and could be a star in a few season.
2. I'm convinced that Stoddart is a very good player. Once he learns that he can't break the lines at AFL level like he does in the NEAFL, he will settle in nicely. He's got all the tools.
3. Ling has run into a bit of bad luck with his 2 injuries. But neither injury was indicative of any inherent physical problem. We've seen very little of Ling, but we extended his contract a year in his first pre-season. He's impressed the coaches. Hopefully his luck changes next year and he can go full on and show why we took him over Ed Richards.
4. Amartey has received a lot of praise from the NEAFL coaches, especially Lloyd Perris. He will take time to develop. He may not even get a senior game next year, especially with Daniher coming on board, but I've been impressed with his development so far. He's got the skills an athleticism to make a real impact at AFL once he fills out physically.

What are your thoughts on Oriordan as a mid in the Pearce Handley mould? Would solve a problem of more speed in the midfield.

[troyjones2525]

Just curious ???

given the results of Collingwood and Geelong and evening the hawks rebuilding via significant trading.....why are some people on this forum so opposed ?

If JD was fit and firing with there be such opposition?

If JD wasn’t on the table would their be such opposition ?

Especially when kinnear beatson has been quoted as saying this draft being weaker and secondly he thinks this draft is better for later picks

I’m not saying either extreme is correct strategy ie polar opposites trade vs draft because we don’t know the draft players well enough and we don’t know the irons in the fire Re possible other trades

What I am saying Is that I think that recruitment is in cycles and if the draft pool ain’t that exciting to swim in then why jump in ?

Equally if trade players are weak then u don’t jump in that either unless filling a specific role

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The way kinnear has discussed the draft so far is picks15 to 30ish sound like the most difficult to judge and or will have the greatest discrepancy and “opportunity” due to team needs taken prior. Rowbottom is a gem and was pick 25 last year.

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Split 5 / 44 in exchange for 14/17 geelong as mentioned earlier

Daniher and Dylan Clarke for pick 9 and 14 (Two first round draft picks) would be tremendous value And still possible .......and probably helps Essendon save a little face as DC is hard for supporters or the media to quantify but for us he fits a serious need with JPK leaving next year or two

Pick 17 - Go to the draft

Pick 25 - go to the draft only if ur INTEL is top notch like it was for rowbottom......OR for me I would try my very best to snare another important recruit as mentioned via a trade
ie a player that enables much greater flexibility in our game plan and brings intensity and leadership thru action and voice which we have lost in 2019.......ed langdon went for the same sort of pick as a mid 20s ......Plus Ed was a serious player for Freeo and their 6th in best and fairest and gave tremendous exit ability out wide and nullifies other teams abilities out wide via his elite running

Lewis Taylor for pick 62

Riley Knights for pick 63

Bennell for zero

Because pretty much all those players you mentioned AG are list cloggers barring a fit Daniher. Clarke's brother is a tagger like he is, not a quality ball winning mid like we need and his skills are ordinary like his older brother. The other two I would be happy enough to get as they will no doubt come cheap as their current clubs basically don't want them anyway.

Daniher would be a great pick up no doubt, but not at the price the bombers want us to pay! We are not Richmond and are not sitting in a premiership window like they were when they recruited Tom Lynch last year. We are a young rebuilding team that still has a few aging stars but not looking like a real threat to win a flag at least for a couple of years minimum.

So why wouldn't we go to the draft and try and build a side that can be competitive for the next 10 or more years, not sell the farm on 1 player who may help us sneak into the 8, or may not even play half a dozen games?

I have no issue with trading and do wish we were aggressive traders like some of the bigger Melbourne clubs! But last year was our time to do that and we failed to land all the big fish we were chasing! This year it's time to take the slow approach and rebuild through youth IMO.

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[MattW]

LOL AFL Trade Rumours on Twitter: "Essendon inquired about Isaac Heeney and Nick Blakey in trade talks with Sydney for Joe Daniher.

The Swans quickly rejected any prospect of either player being part of the deal to deliver Daniher to the Harbour City.

- Sam Landsberger, Sunday Herald Sun"

[Mel_C]

if we gain Danaher bt loose reid or mccartin as well as papley there goes my membership.

+1

The more this drags on the more bad thoughts creep into my head ?.

There is an article on the Herald Sun saying that Essendon want Swans players as part of the deal, meaning more than one player and there is a photo of Heeney!! I can't read the article so don't know the full details. If true then the Swans should walk away now and not look back!

[Blood Fever]

+1

The more this drags on the more bad thoughts creep into my head ?.

There is an article on the Herald Sun saying that Essendon want Swans players as part of the deal, meaning more than one player and there is a photo of Heeney!! I can't read the article so don't know the full details. If true then the Swans should walk away now and not look back!

Could live with Reid going. No way McCartin.

[troyjones2525]

+1

The more this drags on the more bad thoughts creep into my head [emoji852].

There is an article on the Herald Sun saying that Essendon want Swans players as part of the deal, meaning more than one player and there is a photo of Heeney!! I can't read the article so don't know the full details. If true then the Swans should walk away now and not look back!

They have asked for Heeney or Blakey and we have politely declined saying they are untouchable... what a ridiculous request and a waste of time even printing such drivel!

This is a product of the trade period being way too long and pretty much nothing happening until the last day or two, the media needs something to write about so they come out with this rubbish! The AFL need to review how long this crap drags on for year after year!

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[Ludwig]

Auntie, I wouldn't call it hard line, but rather fair and reasonable. We've got a few players that want to move on we should try to facilitate a fair trade. Usually a club has to take a bit less in these circumstance.

I don't want to lose Papley, but I'm okay with pick 9 and wouldn't give back more than a pick 62. I think we'll get it.

We should get no less than a pick in the 20s for Jones. He's worth more than that and we've been very fair with the Saints in recent times. I think it's time for them to be the ones to give a little. I don't think Jones will walk, in the unlikely event that a deal can't be reached. There will be other suitors and we should get the best deal we can, so long as it's a Melbourne club.

Essendon are in a similar position regarding Daniher. They have a player who wants out and they have to face the fact that they are the ones that have do the accommodating. It's beside the point that key forwards like Daniher don't grow on trees. Small forwards like Papley don't grow on trees either. Whatever it was that got Daniher to thr point that he wants out with just one year left on his contract, Essendon have got to wear it and it's not for Sydney to take the fall. If we walk away, Essendon will have Joe in 2020, but it will be a painful year for them. They're fools if they don't know that. Mathew Lloyd should know better too.

[Nico]

That's a very important question. Why the heck did Daniher make his move this year, rather than waiting until next when he's a RFA and would be out of contract? Surely we would have rather waited a year.

Because he is cooked. If he plays at Essendon in 2020 and gets injured again then no one will take him. Sounds like self preservation to me.