2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Blood Fever]

Terry Wallace's harsh summation of our trade period: Plough's Trade Take - Sydney. Not that we care.

Was quite a successful coach for a time now just part of the shallow Melbourne footy media. It's always been all about Terry. Club dodged a massive bullet when we didn't go through with appointing him. Famed culture would not have happened.

[bloodspirit]

Article by Kane Cornes about Daniher and how he needs to get in shape this off season: Why Joe Daniher is at a career crossroads . Validates our approach to the trade period and th Daniher deal in particular if you ask me. Conversely it sounds like EFC is almost worried their own fans could boo Daniher and that they might be asking them not to - "we need to wrap our arms around him [so he will fall back in love with the club]".

[707]

Terry Wallace's harsh summation of our trade period: Plough's Trade Take - Sydney. Not that we care.

Shallow summary from a bloke who speaks crap 99% of the time. Bolded bit sums up my thoughts.

Re GWS pick trading strategy, agree that it only makes sense if they desperately want someone likely to be there at pick 6 like the ruckman or they have the trade for Melbourne's pick 3 on a gentleman's agreement. Either way, if they are going to match a Green bid at 4 or 5, they've blown all this years picks and will have traded or burn first and second next year at a minimum to match Green. Really going to be interesting to see what they do, hopefully the AFL has closed dodgy on the night pick swaps.

They have also delisted Stein and Sproule with the intention of redrafting them with picks in the 80s, 90s, reckon clubs will look at poaching them with their own junk picks before GWS gets to use theirs. We should check them out.

[bloodspirit]

Re GWS pick trading strategy, agree that it only makes sense if they desperately want someone likely to be there at pick 6 like the ruckman or they have the trade for Melbourne's pick 3 on a gentleman's agreement. Either way, if they are going to match a Green bid at 4 or 5, they've blown all this years picks and will have traded or burn first and second next year at a minimum to match Green. Really going to be interesting to see what they do, hopefully the AFL has closed dodgy on the night pick swaps.

They have also delisted Stein and Sproule with the intention of redrafting them with picks in the 80s, 90s, reckon clubs will look at poaching them with their own junk picks before GWS gets to use theirs. We should check them out.

Doerre's latest phantom draft: Expanded AFL Phantom Draft Risers, sliders and new names.

I remember thinking Sproule was an interesting player at some stage - agree we should consider closely. If they are not taken at the ND, can GWS pre-list them for the rookie draft? Or do we get another chance to nab them first. If they were going to put them on the main list (with a pick in the 80s and 90s) they wouldn't have delisted them. They've gotta be looking at re-rookieing them.

I think GWS will trade with Melbourne for pick 3. But the Demons will make them sweat and squeeze a lot out of them for pick 3 at a late stage. Worst case scenario for the Giants (surely!) would be pick 6 plus their first rounder next year - perhaps it will be evened out with something coming back the other way. Demons would (surely?) have to agree to that. Good deal for them.

[stevoswan]

Terry Wallace's harsh summation of our trade period: Plough's Trade Take - Sydney. Not that we care.

Read the intro.....that was enough for me.....what a dumb turd.

[MattW]

Terry Wallace's harsh summation of our trade period: Plough's Trade Take - Sydney. Not that we care.

Terry Wallace is hot takes and shoulder chips.

[Nico]

I was just contemplating :

Is more or less RWO forum reading and contribution time better for ones mental health ????

If I average 15mins a day reading RWO and I replaced this with 15mins of yoga instead - would I be happier ?

Sensei Ludwig what say u ?

With Ludwig, replace Yoga with bike riding. If you balance that up it is probably a 50/50 go, dead heat can't pick it. I do Bikram Yoga 3 times a week and definitely better for your mental health than RWO. Auntie, I don't believe you only spend 15 minutes a day on here.

[Nico]

Was quite a successful coach for a time now just part of the shallow Melbourne footy media. It's always been all about Terry. Club dodged a massive bullet when we didn't go through with appointing him. Famed culture would not have happened.

Still a bitter man is "The Wallet".

[Blood Fever]

Still a bitter man is "The Wallet".

Loves an 'earn' !

[chalbilto]

What is it with the Melbourne "expert reporters" with Riley Beveridge from AFL media department still bagging the club, by claiming the Swans inability to strike a deal with Essendon and Carlton regarding the Joe Daniher and Tom Paperly trades was controversial.
I get the impression that the experts expected the club to sell the farm for a player who has been injured for 2 years and has hardly played because he asked for a trade which was initiated by him and not by the club. Why do they conveniently omit this fact in their reporting? Conversely if Carlton desperately wanted Papley why didn't they come up with an offer that would have been acceptable to the Swans? Did they offer pick9 to entice the club?
Personally I am really glad that both of these deals fell through and if Daniher overcomes his injury woes and does not "fall back in love" with Essendon, and if he does want to come to Sydney then by all means get the deal done in 12 months time. If this is the case then the club will be in a strong position in having to deal with Essendon. Also if Papley wants to return to Victoria next year then whoever wants him have got to come up with a suitable deal.

[rb4x]

I think that the GWS drafting strategy may work out very well for them but badly for Sydney.
Consider

Picks 1&2 Rowell and Anderson to Gold Coast
Pick 3 GWS offer Melbourne Pick 6 and 2020 1st round but Melbourne do not accept. Take Hayden Young who would not last to pick 6.
Pick 4 GWS offer Adelaide Pick 6 and 2020 1st round which Adelaide accept. GWS now take Caleb Serong, Sydney second choice.
Pick 5 Sydney bid on Tom Green but GWS match burning a heap of points but much better than matching 3 or 4.
Pick 6 Sydney are left looking at Lachie Ash who they do not need, Sam Flanders who they do not rate or Brodie Kemp who fits their need but will likely not play till late in 2020 and has two other risks, poor recovery from his ACL and a go home factor in 2022. The injury and missing year heavily discount his value. Upshot is Sydney is not going to get an opportunity to take any of the five players they rated top five.
Pick 7 Adelaide take Dylan Stephens a local boy who was always their target.

GWS happy they get two potential stars
Adelaide happy as they get their target with a nice bonus of GWS 2020 1st rounder
Melbourne happy as they got Young who was their target.
Sydney unhappy as they miss out on both Green and Serong as well as Young.

[Markwebbos]

I think that the GWS drafting strategy may work out very well for them but badly for Sydney.
Consider

Picks 1&2 Rowell and Anderson to Gold Coast
Pick 3 GWS offer Melbourne Pick 6 and 2020 1st round but Melbourne do not accept. Take Hayden Young who would not last to pick 6.
Pick 4 GWS offer Adelaide Pick 6 and 2020 1st round which Adelaide accept. GWS now take Caleb Serong, Sydney second choice.
Pick 5 Sydney bid on Tom Green but GWS match burning a heap of points but much better than matching 3 or 4.
Pick 6 Sydney are left looking at Lachie Ash who they do not need, Sam Flanders who they do not rate or Brodie Kemp who fits their need but will likely not play till late in 2020 and has two other risks, poor recovery from his ACL and a go home factor in 2022. The injury and missing year heavily discount his value. Upshot is Sydney is not going to get an opportunity to take any of the five players they rated top five.
Pick 7 Adelaide take Dylan Stephens a local boy who was always their target.

GWS happy they get two potential stars
Adelaide happy as they get their target with a nice bonus of GWS 2020 1st rounder
Melbourne happy as they got Young who was their target.
Sydney unhappy as they miss out on both Green and Serong as well as Young.

I agree. Think Sydney should do a deal with Melbourne and get pick 3. We can then (1) bid on Green at a price GW$ may not wish to match, failing that have a pick of anyone apart from R&A so go for Young. Alternatively do a swap with Adelaide 5 for 4 with a swap of later picks.

This all presupposes that these are the players the Swans want, and this is how things will fall. It's possible Melbourne might bid on Serong. Or the Swans have their eye on someone else. There are players further down the draft that sound like pretty hand inside mids too.

[bloodspirit]

I agree. Think Sydney should do a deal with Melbourne and get pick 3. We can then (1) bid on Green at a price GW$ may not wish to match, failing that have a pick of anyone apart from R&A so go for Young. Alternatively do a swap with Adelaide 5 for 4 with a swap of later picks.

This all presupposes that these are the players the Swans want, and this is how things will fall. It's possible Melbourne might bid on Serong. Or the Swans have their eye on someone else. There are players further down the draft that sound like pretty hand inside mids too.

I agree that we don't know what/who the club is really after. However, to continue this hypothetical, what would you have us offer Melbourne for pick 3? We are reckoning that GWS offer pick 6 and 2020 first rounder (which is overs already) - how do we trump that? What would you offer Melbourne? It's too late to include a player.

GWS might be happy with rb4x's scenario but they would have paid a very high price - effectively 3 first round picks for pick 3 (12, 18 and 2020 first rounder). If I were a GWS fan I'm not sure if I would be happy - even though it will be a great draft haul this year. Then again they are probably going to have to unload Hately at some point and he will fetch a pretty draft pick you'd think so they can probably get back in to the first round next year.

[bloodspirit]

Interesting article: Why a Swan's axing is about to become a major talking point - AFL.com.au. But it is unfortunate that we are, seemingly once again, we are kind of portrayed as the bad guys in a story which is slanted as bad news for potential draft hopefuls. Why didn't they focus on Deluca instead of Hirst? He was the #1 pick in the mid-season draft and was surely just as likely to be picked up in the ND.

[Ralph Dawg]

I agree that we don't know what/who the club is really after. However, to continue this hypothetical, what would you have us offer Melbourne for pick 3? We are reckoning that GWS offer pick 6 and 2020 first rounder (which is overs already) - how do we trump that? What would you offer Melbourne? It's too late to include a player.

GWS might be happy with rb4x's scenario but they would have paid a very high price - effectively 3 first round picks for pick 3 (12, 18 and 2020 first rounder). If I were a GWS fan I'm not sure if I would be happy - even though it will be a great draft haul this year. Then again they are probably going to have to unload Hately at some point and he will fetch a pretty draft pick you'd think so they can probably get back in to the first round next year.

Would Melbourne be interested in taking our 5 and 25 for their 3? With the way our numbers are, looks like we are only going to draft 2-3 in the main draft anyway which we could do with 3, 32 and 44. Plus we might take a delisted player (eg Bennell) as well as the rookie draft.