2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

The quotes you give are from Mick McGuane not Crouch.

Yes sorry. That’s just me not being clear. I’ve clarified.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Our draft decision making in the last few years has been questionable at best.

Dunkley didn't want to come to us. We did him a favour, presumably, because he would have gone home after a couple of years anyway.

[caj23]

Why bother doing him the favour though?

There was no benefit to us whatsoever

Should’ve let him just try his luck in the open draft

[liz]

Why bother doing him the favour though?

There was no benefit to us whatsoever

Should’ve let him just try his luck in the open draft

Other than being nice to the family of a valued ex-player / building bridges (if there were bridges to be built) / keeping a chance of persuading Kyle to nominate under FS if he proved to be worth it (bearing in mind he was many years off draft age at the time).

The Swans will never come out and admit they wouldn't have drafted him at any bid had that come from a Victorian club, as it would probably amount to draft tampering. But there were plenty of reasons for them to try and help the Dunkleys out.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Overall the Swans do very well recruiting - but they seem to have had quite a bit of poor luck with very high draft picks, for one reason or another O'Keefe 06, Veszpremi 07, Lewis Johnston 08, Rohan/Jetta 09, Lamb 10, Mitchell 11 all failed to live up to the public expectations at the Swans.
Yet at the same time (and compensating for this anomaly) the Swans have frequently unearthed fantastic players from further down the main draft and form the rookie drafts.

Just a Saturday arvo thought bubble (and I know the reasons are various) - but is there something in the Swans blue collar Bloods ethos that encourages many recruits, but is less palatable to the much lauded "hot-house flowers" that inhabit the higher reaches of the national draft?

[troyjones2525]

Overall the Swans do very well recruiting - but they seem to have had quite a bit of poor luck with very high draft picks, for one reason or another O'Keefe 06, Veszpremi 07, Lewis Johnston 08, Rohan/Jetta 09, Lamb 10, Mitchell 11 all failed to live up to the public expectations at the Swans.
Yet at the same time (and compensating for this anomaly) the Swans have frequently unearthed fantastic players from further down the main draft and form the rookie drafts.

Just a Saturday arvo thought bubble (and I know the reasons are various) - but is there something in the Swans blue collar Bloods ethos that encourages many recruits, but is less palatable to the much lauded "hot-house flowers" that inhabit the higher reaches of the national draft?

Agree with that list (except Mitchell) although Rohan and Jetta have had decent careers up to this point without being stars!

But the recruiting and scouting has advanced a long, long way from even those later years you mentioned and we haven't really had a good crack at a top 10 pick since then barring a few Academy selections.

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[707]

Reckon we'll get a gun midfielder with pick 2.

We hold St.Kilda's second pick so nice to see that moving in the right direction, into the 20s now and getting higher.

All good.

[caj23]

Being nice to someone who didn’t want to play for us isn’t a good reason regardless of who his dad ior brother is and sets a precedent for other draftees who don’t want to leave their mummy in Melbourne

They now know if they cry homesick Swans won’t draft them

[tlock]

What can we expect to get if we were to trade Buddy?

[707]

What can we expect to get if we were to trade Buddy?

Nothing because he's not going anywhere, loves it in Sydney, as does his wife. He has become the public face of the club, worth more to us off field than on probably!

[dejavoodoo44]

What can we expect to get if we were to trade Buddy?

A wooden spoon.

[Dosser]

Overall the Swans do very well recruiting - but they seem to have had quite a bit of poor luck with very high draft picks, for one reason or another O'Keefe 06, Veszpremi 07, Lewis Johnston 08, Rohan/Jetta 09, Lamb 10, Mitchell 11 all failed to live up to the public expectations at the Swans.
Yet at the same time (and compensating for this anomaly) the Swans have frequently unearthed fantastic players from further down the main draft and form the rookie drafts.

Just a Saturday arvo thought bubble (and I know the reasons are various) - but is there something in the Swans blue collar Bloods ethos that encourages many recruits, but is less palatable to the much lauded "hot-house flowers" that inhabit the higher reaches of the national draft?

I think that the first round picks often have been able to rely on their natural ability and not had to work as hard as lower picks to achieve what they wanted. This transitions later into work ethic.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Clarkson: 'We're a middle of the road side' - AFL.com.au

Interesting chat by Clarko re methodology vs players

We have Clarko being open that they have traditionally been an outside team but recognising that the inside teams like Melb got the better of them last night

Yet he was disappointed by the lack of polish by his team

It reminded me of horse just like Clarko both in a similar situation of finding the right mix between an evolving game plan that is more flexible plus finding the next batch of players to execute

[wolftone57]

Overall the Swans do very well recruiting - but they seem to have had quite a bit of poor luck with very high draft picks, for one reason or another O'Keefe 06, Veszpremi 07, Lewis Johnston 08, Rohan/Jetta 09, Lamb 10, Mitchell 11 all failed to live up to the public expectations at the Swans.
Yet at the same time (and compensating for this anomaly) the Swans have frequently unearthed fantastic players from further down the main draft and form the rookie drafts.

Just a Saturday arvo thought bubble (and I know the reasons are various) - but is there something in the Swans blue collar Bloods ethos that encourages many recruits, but is less palatable to the much lauded "hot-house flowers" that inhabit the higher reaches of the national draft?

I don't think Mitchell failed to live up to expectations. He left. He was a player who was very much a first rounder for us. I think he could have been played a season before they played him. He was sensational in his last season for us and has carried on that form at Hawks

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[liz]

Overall the Swans do very well recruiting - but they seem to have had quite a bit of poor luck with very high draft picks, for one reason or another O'Keefe 06, Veszpremi 07, Lewis Johnston 08, Rohan/Jetta 09, Lamb 10, Mitchell 11 all failed to live up to the public expectations at the Swans.
Yet at the same time (and compensating for this anomaly) the Swans have frequently unearthed fantastic players from further down the main draft and form the rookie drafts.

Just a Saturday arvo thought bubble (and I know the reasons are various) - but is there something in the Swans blue collar Bloods ethos that encourages many recruits, but is less palatable to the much lauded "hot-house flowers" that inhabit the higher reaches of the national draft?

I would be surprised if the Swans' track record is significantly worse than that across the whole league. While players taken in the first handful of picks (top 5, top 10 in some years) are usually safe picks (injuries aside), I reckon the success rate drops off quite rapidly. So while the hit rate with picks 11-20 are better than any other ten pick range, it isn't by as much as you might think.

Then it becomes a numbers game. We remember the late ND picks and rookie picks who go onto to become senior players - some of them very good senior players. But the club (and any other club) churns through a high number of them to find those gems. In any year, we might have one pick in the teens, maybe one if the late 20s or 30s, but then draft another 5 or 6 (or even more players) via the late ND rounds and rookie draft. We then churn those list spots, uncovering gems but probably only at a hit rate of 25% or thereabouts.

That said, I don't disagree with the suggestion that players taken lower in the draft have typically had to work harder than the blue-chip players just to get on a list. So long as they have a couple of strengths to work around and get a little luck in the sense of an opportunity opening up at the right time, hard work and determination will make up for deficiencies. And a huge part of being a decent AFL player is hard work and determination, not flashy skills.