2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[MattW]

I'm clearly in the minority. If Papley has genuine, good faith, personal reasons for wanting to move, I'm happy for the Swans to trade him for a fair price.

I think Tom does have such reasons. He is popular, respected and in the leadership group. He just had his best year. His relationship with Longmire seems good. For what it's worth, McClure was firm yesterday that he had personal reasons, which had nothing to do with the Swans.

Obviously a minimum fair price is a top ten pick, hopefully more.

[Auntie.Gerald]

What specific strategy? Be specific.

Using trading much more then the draft has been clearly the hawks specific strategy - obvious some might say and a very good team to benchmark against as a strategy of rebuilding

Ie

Let go of champions earlier then we did ie before retirement - hodge, Sam Mitchell to free up salary cap

Trade in specific needs players that are low risk high reward important players like - Tom Mitchell, Wingard

Trade in low cost picks / value players with high upside to the hawks game plan ie Impey and Henderson (6th highest disposals again)

Trade in injured players with high upside but high risk if not successful - Omeara, Scully, Scrimshaw, and now maybe Patton? Which has so far been brilliant for the hawks

Lastly Compliment late picks in the draft to fit into a system that works while rebuilding ie 9th vs our 15th was commendable And a pleasing trajectory for the hawks via Worpel, Howe, Hardwick etc

[KSAS]

I sense with some of the Melb journos wanting to see Carlton "great again" to re-kindle their 1970's rivalry with Richmond and hence would like to see Papley get to Carlton (along with Betts and J.Martin). Somehow they see pick 9 being sufficient for player yet in his prime with 4 years on his contract. Yet these same people reckon if Essendon is going to lose injury proned Daniher who's only played 11 games in 2 seasons and who'll be a RFA next year, should get 2 x early 1st round picks for him! They seem to take us for suckers!

[Jimitron5000]

Throw in Greg Williams. He left when Col Kinnear was sacked as coach and went back to Carlton. He got a very expensive home in Kew that was never declared. They're dogs of the first order.

And they managed to get us to part with the second pick in the 1990 draft for Warren McKenzie. Unfortunately for us, Warren, at his very, very best just wasn't any good and managed 21 games in two years before leaving.

[stevoswan]

I'm clearly in the minority. If Papley has genuine, good faith, personal reasons for wanting to move, I'm happy for the Swans to trade him for a fair price.

I think Tom does have such reasons. He is popular, respected and in the leadership group. He just had his best year. His relationship with Longmire seems good. For what it's worth, McClure was firm yesterday that he had personal reasons, which had nothing to do with the Swans.

Obviously a minimum fair price is a top ten pick, hopefully more.

In other words.....play hardball! That's all we're expecting from our club.

Not to be kind 'to the player that wants to reject you' and get shafted again by our own 'kindness'.....read 'stupidity'. It's all too easy for players to squeal 'personal reasons' these days to get what they want......effing AFLPA. Seems they largely work for the Melbourne clubs or for players that want to get to Melbourne clubs.

[Markwebbos]

We don’t actually know Paps reason for wanting to return home. It might be genuine and something Swans should facilitate.

[Bloods05]

We don’t actually know Paps reason for wanting to return home. It might be genuine and something Swans should facilitate.

Way too sensible. I remind you, this is a footy forum. You have been warned.

[bloodspirit]

What is this "genuine" that people are speaking of? If he genuinely wants to return to Victoria to be closer to friends and family is that "a genuine reason"/"something genuine"?

[stevoswan]

We don’t actually know Paps reason for wanting to return home. It might be genuine and something Swans should facilitate.

What constitutes 'genuine'? How does the club prove it and therefore 'accept' it as genuine? What redress has the club got if they decide the player is not completely 'geniune' and it's just a ruse for the player to get what he wants?

His girlfriend wanting him to return home for her convenience is not a 'genuine' reason in my book, especially when cashed up Melbourne clubs have come knocking with big money offers to prise a contracted player out of a non Vic club back to his 'home' state.....perhaps the only 'genuine' emotion we're seeing here might well be greed.

Having given Paps the chance to play top level footy in the first place, after all the other clubs, including those who are fighting for his services now rejected him when they had the chance to score him cheap, I don't think our club owes Tom any favours.

If these reports of you picking Carlton are true, you disappoint me hugely Tom Papley.....

[Markwebbos]

Off the top of my head:

His girlfriend is pregnant
Sick or dying family member
Mental health related

[stevoswan]

Off the top of my head:

His girlfriend is pregnant
Sick or dying family member
Mental health related

Oh, I could think of a hundred 'genuine' reasons for a player wanting to go home......so it would be nice if Paps came clean.

His silence on his 'reasons' leads me and others to speculate negatively and to leave a sour taste in our mouths. Does Paps really want to leave this legacy by leaving his 'beloved' Swans with bad blood? You would think not.....if he has genuine reasons, he should let us know.

I understand some situations need privacy to be respected but there's been nothing rumoured or even speculated, bar his girlfriend wanting to own him.....

[Thunder Shaker]

I saw some of a show called The Trade Game last night featuring Andrew Maher, Brendon Goddard and some other journo, Browne perhaps. It was, safe to say, awful television.
They all think that the Swans need to give up two first rounders for Daniher, along the lines of the suggestions courtesy of Matthew Lloyd posted earlier in this thread. I can understand that if he played the last two seasons, kicked 60 goals each year and had a long term contract. The reality is his recent performances and contract situation do not deserve a trade anywhere near that value.

When can we sign Harley Bennell?

A player who has played only 11 games in two seasons does not command two first-round draft picks.

A player who may be considering quitting altogether does not command two first-round draft picks.

A player who we could pick up next year for free as a RFA does not command two first-round draft picks.

Sooner or later the dunces in the media will figure this out. Essendon may demand two first-round draft picks but they will NOT get them.

I'm clearly in the minority. If Papley has genuine, good faith, personal reasons for wanting to move, I'm happy for the Swans to trade him for a fair price.

I think Tom does have such reasons. He is popular, respected and in the leadership group. He just had his best year. His relationship with Longmire seems good. For what it's worth, McClure was firm yesterday that he had personal reasons, which had nothing to do with the Swans.

Obviously a minimum fair price is a top ten pick, hopefully more.

Two first round picks. Pick 10 and Carlton's 2020 first-round pick. If Carlton doesn't offer those then they should not bother.

Papley is worth that. How many first-round picks turn out to be duds that play fewer than 100 games? About half of them.

[Aprilbr]

I think that by this time tomorrow we will know whether Daniher is serious about a move. Their B&F is tonight and he will make a call tomorrow. My gut tells me he will stay at Essendon for now.

I've thought a lot in the past 48 hours (probably too much) about our current predicament with players like Papley, Jones and Daniher and a middling list. My conclusion (which will no doubt influence our Club decision-makers 555) is that PATIENCE is the key. Our current list profile is young and at least 12 months away from finals. We can go to the Draft with potentially 2 first round (if Papley is traded) and 2 second round picks (assuming a second rounder is traded for Jones). That can help build a real contending team going forward on the basis of what we already have and what we draft this year. As others say, we can potentially get Daniher next year for nothing. It will mean another year out of finals contention which our supporters can wear but give us a real premiership shot going forward. Just my thoughts.

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[Bloods05]

What is this "genuine" that people are speaking of? If he genuinely wants to return to Victoria to be closer to friends and family is that "a genuine reason"/"something genuine"?

We don't know. Simple as that. It may well be something he wants to keep private, for all the sorts of reasons all of us sometimes do that. Or maybe not. We can all speculate but I'm not sure it gets us anywhere.

[KTigers]

Sure, the guy doesn't have to explain his "personal" reasons if he doesn't want to. But he may not get what he wants (a trade to Carlton).
That's the way jobs work for all of us. Sometimes you don't get what you'd like. It's called life.