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Probably we can't. Buddy's contract is likely to take up a million or so of the salary cap for the next two seasons. I suspect a desire to get Daniher now stems from the fact that any contract they offered him (putting aside the issues with his injury status) would likely be back-ended, so that it didn't really kick in until after Buddy is expected to have retired).
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Absolutely. Two picks in the teens (probably, given where WC are likely to finish next year) and a second round pick (ignoring the late pick messing around).
Firstly, Kelly would have fulfilled an urgent need for our list. Secondly, Kelly has just finished second in the B&F of a team that won the minor premiership, finished second last year also, and is a current AA.
Had he spent the bulk of the last two years in rehab, then no.Comment
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If we need a key forward and I don't think that it is our top priority but they don't grow on trees so we should grab one when they are available. GWS are prepared to let Patton go to Hawthorn for a third round selection. We have pick 25 which is a decent second round pick. What say we offer 25 to GWS for Patton and trump Hawthorn. We now have a key forward and can walk away from the Dodoro lunacy. I understand that Patton is more ready to play right now than Daniher and as an ex pick 1 should be worth similar in trade points to Daniher. I know Patton would have to agree but it surely would be tempting to GWS.
Dodoro is apparemntly wanting 5, 9 (which we currently don't have) plus a player of the calibre of Heeney or Blakey for Danihaer. I would value anyone of those three as worth more than Daniher in his current state. Even pick 9 would be worth more to us at present than a hugely expensive injured Daniher. Hope we don't get pick 9 as I value Papley higher than pick 9.Comment
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Club only has to match total $ and years, not year-year breakdown - AFL clarified that recently re: Coniglio.
Not sure we’d be able to significantly front-end anyway with Franklin’s 2020 and 2021 salary.
The only way Daniher walks for nothing next year, if Essendon match a bid and/or a trade can’t be agreed, is if his preferred club finishes last and it’s via the PS Draft.Comment
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Why don't we take paddy mccartin as the steak knives in the zac Jones deal. Surly he wouldn't cost much salary wise and would lock up Tom with his brother on the list.
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It seems a lot but I still don't understand what the likely "cost" is - ie, who might we draft with 5/10/25 in this year's draft? The little attention I've paid to the draft I haven't been overwhelmed (I'm guessing Bombers feel the same way given their desire to get a player instead). Could anyone who does follow the draft give a view on the opportunity cost?
While it's incumbent on us to find a deal for them, I don't think we need to find a player - we don't need to be doing Bombers list management for them. Either we have a player that we're prepared to move on or over to them to find a deal with the picks we have.Comment
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2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel
The other point that’s relevant is that the secret Daniher-Harley meeting got out.
Without that, perhaps we could have kept working towards FA next year in the background, and Daniher could have brushed off all the questions about his contract status by saying “I haven’t thought about that, I’m just focussed on playing footy again” etc.
That would seem fairly genuine for someone from an ‘Essendon family’ who has had his injury problems - I’m not sure there would even have been much speculation that we were an option. Like with Franklin.
But once it got out, Daniher (and perhaps the Swans as well) felt the next 12 months would be a nightmare - saying nothing and letting the speculation/pressure build, or say things that would get turned around on him/us painting him/us as a liar at this time next year if he signed with us then.Comment
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Waiting until next year for Daniher has the risk of not getting him, but if it's because he falls in love with Essendon again, then he shouldn't be leaving this year anyway. We are really not losing anything but a player who wasn't on the radar a few months ago.
If he truly wants to leave Essendon, being a RFA is unlikely to stop the transfer, as it is so rare that the club matches the offer to keep a player who doesn't want to stay, else Tom Lynch would still be at Gold Coast. By delaying a year, we can bank the 800,000 or so that we don't have to pay for Daniher next year and use it for his contract for 2021 onward. It's one less year we have to pay a high salary player. We also have lightened the salary load from Buddy by one year, so from a TPP standpoint, we gain at both ends, at least in the short term. The fact that we have one less year to pay Daniher, is money saved that can be used for other players down line. It's truly a net savings.
I can't imagine what Harley could have committed to in any discussions with Joe, other than to do our best to recruit him. I'm sure we wouldn't be discussing what draft picks and players we would offer Essendon. And in the end, Dodoro has the final say on the trade going through, so there can never be a firm commitment made to recruit Joe this year. Surely Joe knows this.
The timing is simply not right for us to go after a big fish. We are still a team in the making. We have the best forward in the game when fit, and a good supporting cast. Have a lot of KPPs on our list that are still in early development. Opportunities arise every year. We should hold off committing to a player who may not be the best fit for the team going forward. If we get Daniher this year, it really limits our scope for doing other trades in the coming years. We could easily end up being saddled like we were by having both Tippett and Franklin on the payroll at the same time. We finally have the shackles removed from that one. Why would we want handcuff ourselves once again?
As for the draft this year, it's probably better to get in this year than next, as the 2020 draft will be compromised by NGA and academy players, including our own Campbell and Gulden. Since the early part of next year's draft is ostensibly committed to the 2 academy boys, this is the year for us to take a few good picks to the draft. The current draft is notably light on key forwards. It's more a midfielders draft, and that's supposedly what we need.Last edited by Ludwig; 13 October 2019, 12:42 PM.Comment
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I'm getting a bit sick of reading about Essendon's ambit claims. Maybe we should make some ambit claims of our own? How about we offer them pick 54, a year's supply of peptides, and as a personalised touch, a Best & Less gift voucher for their chief negotiator; just to say, thank you for being you.Comment
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It all depends on the ladder position of the team losing the player though. They may be resigned to losing the player, but their choice is whether to match and force a trade, or accept the FA compensation.
If it's Gold Coast with Lynch, you get pick 3 as the compensation, which is more than you would get via a trade. So the decision then is whether to accept pick 3, or match the bid to force the player decide whether they change their mind and re-sign or go into the draft.
If you're Adelaide with Dangerfield, you get a modest compensation if you don't match (pick 16 I think), but are able to negotiate a trade for picks 9 & 28. So you're left to decide whether you accept the better trade compensation, or push them into the draft in the hope they might belatedly re-sign with you.
In more instances it has been players wanting to leave bottom clubs, so that decision to accept the compensation is easier. The other variable with Daniher is that it's Essendon, and it anyone would get difficult about things it is them - even more reason to think they would seriously look at matching a FA offer if we made one.Comment
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Fair enough, Liz, but I reckon pick 9 for Tom is a reasonable deal, so I’m not against it. If it was as simple as that (& he wants to go) - I’d be okay with it. But now they’re (apparently) after pick 25 as well, so, thanks-but-no-thanks.
Essendon can’t believe any player might want out, so they’re just putting silly prices on to save face. I can only hope we’re not silly enough to fall for it.Comment
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It was at Harley's house, or at least it started or ended there, which is a point I think we were happy to be misreported at the time.
Having said that, very stiff to be caught out anywhere - even if they went to Martin Place with a couple of bean bags and chatted there, the majority of people walking past wouldn't have had any idea who they were.Comment
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I wouldn't think so. Tom Lynch would be worth at least 2 top 10 picks in the open market. No team would want to lose a Tom Lynch, but Lynch wanted to go, so he went for a compo pick. May and Kolodjashnij went to Melbourne for only a pick 6, which GC paid out a pick 2 for Lachie Weller. The imbalance in power is killing the AFL's drive toward 'equalisation'.
The Swans have to protect themselves from joining the other northern clubs as easy targets. Good on Brisbane for turning things around the last couple of years.Comment
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