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  • Ruck'n'Roll
    Ego alta, ergo ictus
    • Nov 2003
    • 3990

    Originally posted by Ludwig
    Had an on my bike ride today. Plenty of time to think on tranquil rice paddy roads. It goes like this:
    1. We finish all our other trades: Papley, Jones, Cameron, Taylor.
    2. It's Wednesday morning and we tell Dodo that whatever offer we made, it's now off the table.
    3. The clock runs out. Daniher remains contracted to Essendon.
    4. Thursday: Daniher announces he's quitting the club and will stay out of football in 2020 and get his body right.
    5. Meanwhile, the Swans have told Joe that the $800,000 salary lost is not lost at all, but we will add 200k a year to the contract we already offered to him for the next 4 years, 2021-2024, so he is not out of pocket. This money will come from the savings of not having to pay Daniher in 2020.
    6. Daniher walks to the Swans for nothing (Mummy signing) after the draft next year.
    7. Dodo gets sacked.
    8. Matthew Lloyd has his Essendon life membership rescinded.
    9. A desperate EFC hire Ludwig on a million dollar contract to fix up their footy club.
    10. Ludwig changes the name of the club to the Bangkok Bombers and moves the club to Thailand.
    11. Ludwig wins Nobel Prize for literature after writing the book: Too Much Dope, Too Many Dopes : The Downfall of The Essendon Football Club.
    It all sounded so plausible, right up to that last point. Unfortunately the Nobel for literature is for a body of work not a single work, no matter how exalted it's literary merit.

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    • The Big Cat
      On the veteran's list
      • Apr 2006
      • 2350

      Originally posted by liz
      Huh???
      Dunno, can't read the article only the teaser.

      Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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      • Markwebbos
        Veterans List
        • Jul 2016
        • 7186

        Originally posted by liz
        Huh???
        Because if the Swans don't get Daniher we'll have pick 5 which we'll use on Tom Green, forcing them to match, rather than getting another player with 6 and then matching a later bid for Green. There's still Adelaide with pick 4, but I think they are more likely to go for an outside player than Green.

        Category: | Herald Sun

        The Herald Sun understands that, outside of GWS, the Swans and Crows are the only clubs to visit Green’s family home in Canberra, and both walked away super impressed.

        The Swans view Green as a possible successor to midfield warrior Josh Kennedy while the Crows have a reputation of holding clubs to account on draft night...

        Green, 18, averaged 33 disposals and 159 SuperCoach points in four NAB League matches this season and has three younger brothers, who also qualify for the GWS academy because they live in Canberra.

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        • 707
          Veterans List
          • Aug 2009
          • 6204

          Another good reason not to trade pick 5. I just want this nightmare to evaporate!

          GWS will be working big time to get pick 3 from the Dees to ensure they get the double dip. Problem is they'll need to now give up pick 6 and will struggle to pay for Green when he gets bid on at pick 4/5 unless they do some late trading for a couple of picks in the 20s. They may have outsmarted themselves this time, we hope!

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          • MattW
            Veterans List
            • May 2011
            • 4195

            Originally posted by 707
            Another good reason not to trade pick 5. I just want this nightmare to evaporate!

            GWS will be working big time to get pick 3 from the Dees to ensure they get the double dip. Problem is they'll need to now give up pick 6 and will struggle to pay for Green when he gets bid on at pick 4/5 unless they do some late trading for a couple of picks in the 20s. They may have outsmarted themselves this time, we hope!
            Man. GWS traded for 6 in expectation we would trade 5 for Daniher? Ha.

            The play seems so obvious. Hold 5, pick the 'Josh Kennedy successor', see if a fit and in form Daniher wants to come in 12 months, move bloody on.

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            • liz
              Veteran
              Site Admin
              • Jan 2003
              • 16738

              Originally posted by MattW
              Man. GWS traded for 6 in expectation we would trade 5 for Daniher? Ha.

              The play seems so obvious. Hold 5, pick the 'Josh Kennedy successor', see if a fit and in form Daniher wants to come in 12 months, move bloody on.
              They (ie GWS) will still match. Just means they won't be able to draft another top 5 player first. Unless they can do a deal with Melbourne (or maybe Adelaide).

              To position that as "severely disadvantaging" GWS seems twisted in the extreme.

              Maybe tomorrow they can publish an article about how we are "severely disadvantaging" St Kilda by not just delisting Jones so the Saints can pick him up as a DFA. Or "severely disadvantaging" Carlton by not trading them Papley for a 5th round draft pick. Or severely disadvantaging just about any other club by not offering up Mills, Heeney, Dawson, Florent, Hayward, McCartin, Aliir et al for a raft of 4th round draft picks.

              In any case, if we do trade pick 5 to Essendon, Green fits a need for them too. There's plenty of time for the Dodo to travel to Canberra to Chez Green, where he, too, might come away mightily impressed by Tom.

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              • MattW
                Veterans List
                • May 2011
                • 4195

                Originally posted by MattW
                Man. GWS traded for 6 in expectation we would trade 5 for Daniher? Ha.

                The play seems so obvious. Hold 5, pick the 'Josh Kennedy successor', see if a fit and in form Daniher wants to come in 12 months, move bloody on.
                Or, why don't we try to trade up to pick 3 to completely price GWS out of Green?

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                Originally posted by liz
                They (ie GWS) will still match. Just means they won't be able to draft another top 5 player first. Unless they can do a deal with Melbourne (or maybe Adelaide).

                To position that as "severely disadvantaging" GWS seems twisted in the extreme.

                Maybe tomorrow they can publish an article about how we are "severely disadvantaging" St Kilda by not just delisting Jones so the Saints can pick him up as a DFA. Or "severely disadvantaging" Carlton by not trading them Papley for a 5th round draft pick. Or severely disadvantaging just about any other club by not offering up Mills, Heeney, Dawson, Florent, Hayward, McCartin, Aliir et al for a raft of 4th round draft picks.

                In any case, if we do trade pick 5 to Essendon, Green fits a need for them too. There's plenty of time for the Dodo to travel to Canberra to Chez Green, where he, too, might come away mightily impressed by Tom.
                I'm not sure I have any faith in Adrian's good taste.

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                • Ludwig
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9359

                  Why don't GWS trade picks 6 and 40 for our picks 5 and 54? We can use pick 40 or 44 for Taylor and take the other one to the draft. It makes it a little less painful if we have to give our first pick to Essendon. We could offer Essendon picks 6+40+Hayden McLean. Take it or leave it.
                  Last edited by Ludwig; 14 October 2019, 06:49 PM.

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                  • dejavoodoo44
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 8494

                    Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                    It all sounded so plausible, right up to that last point. Unfortunately the Nobel for literature is for a body of work not a single work, no matter how exalted it's literary merit.
                    Yeah, but you're forgetting that some of his earlier RWO musings, have been anthologised into a couple of volumes: 'The Barassi Line Is In Thailand, Now', and 'Centre Square, Golden Triangle'.

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                    • sprite
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 813

                      Could we re-recruit Capper and then trade him to Essendon plus pick 40...
                      sprite

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                      • liz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16738

                        Originally posted by MattW
                        Or, why don't we try to trade up to pick 3 to completely price GWS out of Green?
                        Because

                        a) it won't price Green out of GWS's reach. They'll still probably match.
                        b) it will cost a lot

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                        • dejavoodoo44
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 8494

                          Originally posted by Ludwig
                          Raphus cucullatus* is particularly strange subspecies.



                          Thought to be extinct. Hibernates all year until early October, when for a couple of weeks he makes everyone he comes in contact want to kill him, eventually forcing him back into hibernation.


                          *Modern taxonomy: Tullamarinus dodorus
                          Tullamarinus Dodorus? So this modern dodo can fly?

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                          • mcs
                            Travelling Swannie!!
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 8149

                            Originally posted by The Big Cat
                            Article in the HUN behind paywall suggesting GWS will be severely disadvantaged if Swans don't land Daniher. Can I humbly suggest that a way to avoid this happening is to send Patton to Essendon instead of Hawthorn. The injectors say they want a big forward to replace the pubis one. Deal done.

                            In the same issue of the paper, Jay Clark surmising a three way deal involving picks 5 and 9 to North for Ben Brown who goes to Essendon who then trade JD to the Swans. This he said would be win-win-win. (maybe it would be better to for the Swans to just take BB?)
                            We couldn't take BB. SCG isn't long enough for him to be able to fit in his ridiculous goal routine... would have to open the gates behind the goals to squeeze it in or angle it so he could go down the race.rofl
                            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                              It all sounded so plausible, right up to that last point. Unfortunately the Nobel for literature is for a body of work not a single work, no matter how exalted it's literary merit.
                              No worries. I've already written 3 other books.

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                              • MattW
                                Veterans List
                                • May 2011
                                • 4195

                                I didn't see this posted earlier:

                                Telstra AFL Trade Radio on Twitter: "Cleary: I still think the Swans are going the hardest for Harley Bennell, but there's still no certainty he'll be on an AFL list.

                                #AFLTrade"

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