2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Thunder Shaker]

I'm getting more optimistic the Daniher deal will fall over. In which case I really hope we use pick 5 to bid on Green. I think there's a chance GWS don't match the bid. If they haven't traded up to have a pick ahead of our pick 5 it would entirely defeat their strategy and he doesn't especially fit one of their needs. They are well stocked for mids already. I agree it's still more likely they will match the bid. It's also more likely that they will complete a pick trade after trade period and pre-draft to move up the order ahead of our pick. But if neither of those things happen, he's perfect for us and our needs and universally reported to be an excellent player!

If we bid on Green at pick 5 GWS will match if they want him because it won't use up all the points value of pick 6.

I also see that Hawthorn has completed a trade for Patton and Melbourne has gained North Melbourne's pick 8 in a pick swap.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Can't we trade them up until draft night?

Yes, but there is some surplus capacity there more useful next year. So this week or draft night, we'll need to make use of them

[barry]

We'd need to offer more than the compo pick to make it worth their while. So its somewhere about what they'd get next year, not somewhere between zilch and that pick.

The compo pick will be at the end of the first round. ie pick 19. (Assuming we offer around $700k p.a.)

[AnnieH]

I'm still curious about a non-player element of this. We currently have four picks from 44-63. I'm get they may be part of player trades, but curious as to how we use them to fold into our points needs for next year given - maybe barring 44 - they're effectively junk picks this year.

(Hi IU2 - missed you!!)
Now, hush. Goodesy was a very late pick.

[liz]

If we bid on Green at pick 5 GWS will match if they want him because it won't use up all the points value of pick 6.

It would, if they used pick 6 to match a bid at 5. Although you get something back where a second or third pick is used to match a deal, you don't get anything back from the first pick used. But clubs always arrange it so their first available pick isn't enough. If the Giants went into the draft still holding pick 6 and a bid came for Green before that pick, they would immediately trade down that pick 6 to something worth less than the points they needed to match Green, and get something else back from another club.

[KSAS]

Patton now a Hawk in exchange for their future 4th round pick!

[stevoswan]

Patton now a Hawk in exchange for their future 4th round pick!

A gold wrapped gift....nice to be a Victorian club picking off northern clubs talent.

[Doctor J.]

Patton now a Hawk in exchange for their future 4th round pick!

Have Hawthorn got a plant in the Giants list management department. First Scully and now Patton, both for next to nothing.

[MattW]

Patton now a Hawk in exchange for their future 4th round pick!

Was Patton out of contract?

[ugg]

No in fact he had a big contract which is why the Giants were willing to let him go so cheaply so they could spend the money on re-signing Whitfield and Cameron

[liz]

Was Patton out of contract?

No. He was on a big fat contract and clearly the Hawks knew that the Giants were desperate to clear his cap space to help them with their upcoming big signings. Still odd that another club couldn't offer more than a 4th round pick, but maybe there wasn't another club willing to take a punt on tying up their salary cap on a big player coming off three knee recos.

Since the Hawks have the cap space (apparently), he's a very low cost, decent return kinda choice for them.

[i'm-uninformed2]

It would, if they used pick 6 to match a bid at 5. Although you get something back where a second or third pick is used to match a deal, you don't get anything back from the first pick used. But clubs always arrange it so their first available pick isn't enough. If the Giants went into the draft still holding pick 6 and a bid came for Green before that pick, they would immediately trade down that pick 6 to something worth less than the points they needed to match Green, and get something else back from another club.

Can you do that once the bid is confirmed? Or only beforehand like we did last year?

[The Runner]

Was Patton out of contract?

No.
The trade works for everyone. The Giants get him off their books and free up cash to re-sign Cameron and Whitfield.
The Hawks get him cheap from a draft pick perspective but are burdened with a heavy contract (that they can accommodate) and the risk of him not coming good physically.

He's cheap if he can be as dominant as his #1 pick status suggests. But based on what we've seen, how the game has evolved, and his knees.. he is more of a punt than Scully.

[Doctor J.]

No. He was on a big fat contract and clearly the Hawks knew that the Giants were desperate to clear his cap space to help them with their upcoming big signings. Still odd that another club couldn't offer more than a 4th round pick, but maybe there wasn't another club willing to take a punt on tying up their salary cap on a big player coming off three knee recos.

Since the Hawks have the cap space (apparently), he's a very low cost, decent return kinda choice for them.

Im starting to get the impression that salary caps only apply to clubs outside of Victoria.

[Beerman]

If we are so desperate for a KPF who can ruck, why don't we come in with a late 20s / 30s pick for Patton and an undertaking not to bid on Green?

I believe that’s draft tampering and illegal. That could be part of the reason.