2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[bloodspirit]

A couple of questions:

1. Why is there a rule that you can't trade a pick back to the club that traded it to you? Is this the AFL's attempt to stamp out our trick yesterday to keep a second round pick and not burn it paying for Blakey? In that case, couldn't they just limit the rule to trading during the actual draft?

2. Will trading of future picks be possible during draft night?

3. Can clubs pre-list NGA players as rookies if they are not taken in the ND?

** Yesterday = last year's National Draft **

[bloodspirit]

Fairfax footy (I look at smh.com.au/afl) says this about what we might do at the draft: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/clu...22-p53d0u.html

The smooth-kicking Hayden Young is likely to still be available with Melbourne increasingly favoured to select Luke Jackson at No. 3 ahead of Young however, industry sources were increasingly tipping the Swans to pick one of Gippsland midfielder/forward Sam Flanders or star small midfielder/forward Caleb Serong, both of whom would help replenish a somewhat ageing Sydney on-ball brigade. With Zak Jones having departed and Nick Smith’s career ended through injuries, the Swans have also indicated that they are on the look-out for a lock-down half-back. Tough Gippsland captain Brock Smith fits that bill and is tipped to fall around the range where Sydney have picks 32 and 44. Sydney could also do with some more ruck depth. Oakleigh’s Nick Bryan is an intriguing proposition in that area, as is mature age South Australian Henry Crauford.

[Markwebbos]

Kinnear Beatson is going to feature on afl.com.au's draft show today at 4 pm amidst a raft of other footy people: Draft Night Countdown: Watch it LIVE from 2pm AEDT - AFL.com.au. Stuey Dew's at 4.30 - which I think I will miss unfortunately.

And Caleb Serong and Sam Flanders at 4.15pm. Nice scheduling by Cal Twomey

[bloodspirit]

Mock draft from The Roar: AFL mock draft 2019: Top 30. Has us bidding on Green then taking Flanders, and (again) Elijah Taylor. Clearly seems to be a bit of mail linking us with Taylor. I'd be more comfortable at 32, depending who else is on the board.

[bloodspirit]

A couple of questions:
2. Will trading of future picks be possible during draft night?

Yes. Just heard on afl.com.au.

[Markwebbos]

It really does feel to me that the Swans may well not get the fifth best player in the draft with pick 5. Looking at that mock draft with Freo getting Serong and Ash at 8/9, for example, Kemp going at 13. Otherwise missing out on Young...

Both mock drafts that have assigned Taylor to us at pick 28 have based it on our culture and ability to look after him rather than our need for him: "Doesn’t necessarily fill a need for Sydney ... should do well at Sydney given the club’s excellent Indigenous leaders and culture."

[Markwebbos]

Draft central 2019 AFL Draft Preview: Sydney Swans - Aussie Rules Draft Central

Says its a choice between Serong or Flanders... And suggests we might try and trade up for Cooper Stephens, Rantall or Robertson.
I've seen a few suggestions we'll pick up a ruckman, whether that's the ND or rookie draft I'm not sure.

[bloodspirit]

2019 AFL Draft Preview: Sydney Swans - Aussie Rules Draft Central

And yet another phantom draft that has us taking Elijah Taylor with our second pick! 2019 Draft Central Phantom Draft - Aussie Rules Draft Central

[bloodspirit]

Just listening to Adrian Caruso on afl.com.au. I don't trust what he says. He was asked if the Giants had anyone in particular in mind for pick 4 and he said no. He said that given it was there only live pick before pick 80 if the player they wanted was likely to fall in the 10-20 range, they would still take them. That beggars belief given that they paid a 2020 first rounder to move up from pick 6 to pick 4.

[Mr Magoo]

All it can be is that they figured that Sydney would definitely go for Green so they may as well trump that otherwise they would have been forced to go for green at 6 and then they would be without anyone until pick 80 or whatever . This way they get Green and another pick and they tap out unless they can get someone like Delahunty also for nothing at 80.

So makes some sense in the current draft and I still maintain they have enough talent and movement of that talent to trade back in for next year.

[Markwebbos]

All it can be is that they figured that Sydney would definitely go for Green so they may as well trump that otherwise they would have been forced to go for green at 6 and then they would be without anyone until pick 80 or whatever . This way they get Green and another pick and they tap out unless they can get someone like Delahunty also for nothing at 80.

So makes some sense in the current draft and I still maintain they have enough talent and movement of that talent to trade back in for next year.

I think that does make sense. But as others have pointed out, they are paying an awful lot to get that player before Green, and it could still all unravel if Melbourne bid on him or do a swap with another club (e.g. Swans) who do.

[bloodspirit]

All it can be is that they figured that Sydney would definitely go for Green so they may as well trump that otherwise they would have been forced to go for green at 6 and then they would be without anyone until pick 80 or whatever . This way they get Green and another pick and they tap out unless they can get someone like Delahunty also for nothing at 80.

So makes some sense in the current draft and I still maintain they have enough talent and movement of that talent to trade back in for next year.

Yes, fair point.

[Markwebbos]

Serong and Ned on Draft live ATM

[AnnieH]

Our draft strategy should not be to actively piss anyone off, just pick best available.

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We already have a non existent flow, so are missing out badly already. Maybe we already upset them.

??????
What exactly are we missing out on?
Why do you come here. No one here follows GW$.

[Mr Magoo]

I think that does make sense. But as others have pointed out, they are paying an awful lot to get that player before Green, and it could still all unravel if Melbourne bid on him or do a swap with another club (e.g. Swans) who do.

Yep , Melbourne is the key to it all as it becomes a moot point if they bid on Green. They would know if Melbourne has even bothered to talk to Green to any extent and maybe formed the opinion that they are unlikely to bid on him if they havent put any time into him . Melbourne would be silly to bid on him if they hadnt done any extensive due diligence on him.

While it may seem a lot to give up (a future first rounder) , with the amount of swapping and trading going on , they will have thought about that Im sure.