#AFL Round 8 Swans vs Dons Fri 10-May at SCG #AFLSwansDons @sydneyswans

[Meg]

Or given him a rule book to read with an oral and written test to be administered before our next game.

I like it [emoji122][emoji122].

[Mark26]

Re Polegate: Gill says ‘he (umpire) gave him the warning, the guy got down, and it didn't impact on the play.’

Quite right, very sensible - also I don’t think Rampe could hold on any longer [emoji23].

How refreshing is it to have Gill put publicly support the ump's decision, and subsequently our win?

[Meg]

I think we can all agree with Luke Parker:

‘Rampe’s fellow co-captain Luke Parker said it would have been shattering if his colleague’s action had cost Sydney just their second win in eight games.

“He (Rampe) was incredible that last quarter so we will forgive him for that, but sometimes I’m not sure what goes through his head,” Parker told SEN.’

McLachlan hails 'pragmatic' AFL umpiring after Rampe goalpost furore | Sport | The Guardian

[troyjones2525]

And if the Rampe situation was completely reversed and the Swans were 5 points down with Buddy kicking after the siren, his radar was off and it fell a little short, but say Fantasia was climbing the goal post while Buddy was approaching his kick, during his kick and while the ball was in flight - if the umpires didn’t award the free kick to us, can you honestly tell me there wouldn’t be a melt down on RWO that the “VFL” aren’t biased cheats who have a vandetta against us yadda yadda yadda?

Heck, the umpires “miss” a tiggy touchwood chopping of the arms when we’re down by 7 goals and a bunch of people on here promptly post a plethora of vitriolic conspiracy theory rants.

Just saying, that there is a black or white rule and by the letter of the law we would not have been hard done by if it was enforced - as if we were in Essendon’s situation I confidently suspect that many on here wouldn’t be so tolerant.

I think only Tadhg Kennelly could honestly claim to be an individual who would take the loss based on a sensible decision since he - as a coach - didn’t enforce a situation in the NEAFL grand that could have put us right back in it, because we really deserved to lose to a better side on the day.

Considered and unbiased post. Bravo!

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[Mel_C]

And if the Rampe situation was completely reversed and the Swans were 5 points down with Buddy kicking after the siren, his radar was off and it fell a little short, but say Fantasia was climbing the goal post while Buddy was approaching his kick, during his kick and while the ball was in flight - if the umpires didn’t award the free kick to us, can you honestly tell me there wouldn’t be a melt down on RWO that the “VFL” aren’t biased cheats who have a vandetta against us yadda yadda yadda?

Heck, the umpires “miss” a tiggy touchwood chopping of the arms when we’re down by 7 goals and a bunch of people on here promptly post a plethora of vitriolic conspiracy theory rants.

Just saying, that there is a black or white rule and by the letter of the law we would not have been hard done by if it was enforced - as if we were in Essendon’s situation I confidently suspect that many on here wouldn’t be so tolerant.

I think only Tadhg Kennelly could honestly claim to be an individual who would take the loss based on a sensible decision since he - as a coach - didn’t enforce a situation in the NEAFL grand that could have put us right back in it, because we really deserved to lose to a better side on the day.

I disagree. What Rampe did had no impact on Myers kicking the goal. If a player has his arms chopped then he has been impeded and has been prevented from taking the mark. So we have every right to be upset.

If it was the reverse situation and it happened when Buddy was having a shot, I'm sure we would get annoyed but it doesn't mean we would be right.

Not every rule is umpired to the exact wording. When a player is over the mark the umpire will ask them to move back a metre and not pay 50 straight away. That's what happened with Rampe, the umpire told him to get down. I'm sure if Rampe jumped on the post again it would have been a free.

Regardless, Rampe should never have done it and he was lucky on this occasion.

[Mel_C]

From Gil the dill:

"For me, it's a bit analogous to a guy who's a metre over the mark, [the umpire] says, 'come back or it's 50', and the guy comes back. If it doesn't, it's a free kick. That seems to be a very practical response.

"People will get into the technicality of what the rule says, but if he stayed there, it would have been a free kick."

Probably lucky it was Umpire Andre Gianfagna and not umpire Brent Wallace to tell Dane to “get down!”

Well there you go Gil thinks the same as I do. I think that's the first time I've ever agreed with Gil ????.

[dimelb]

My favourite incident (apart from the final siren) was COR's 50m penalty to begin, then somehow he managed to bump a Bomber and got another 50! All topped off by a pretty decent goal. He needs to stay in the Firsts.

[Meg]

My favourite incident (apart from the final siren) was COR's 50m penalty to begin, then somehow he managed to bump a Bomber and got another 50! All topped off by a pretty decent goal. He needs to stay in the Firsts.

Experience is the best teacher [emoji3].

[0918330512]

I disagree. What Rampe did had no impact on Myers kicking the goal. If a player has his arms chopped then he has been impeded and has been prevented from taking the mark. So we have every right to be upset.

If it was the reverse situation and it happened when Buddy was having a shot, I'm sure we would get annoyed but it doesn't mean we would be right.

Not every rule is umpired to the exact wording. When a player is over the mark the umpire will ask them to move back a metre and not pay 50 straight away. That's what happened with Rampe, the umpire told him to get down. I'm sure if Rampe jumped on the post again it would have been a free.

Regardless, Rampe should never have done it and he was lucky on this occasion.

I didn’t say it would have impacted on the shot at goal. If it was adjudicated to the letter of the law, it would have impacted the result. ie a free kick in the goal square.
And if that had happened, I guessing the mood would have changed here significantly. Rampe would have been crucified. I’m quite confident, from many previous examples, Horse would have copped plenty of flack. Numerous players who had quieter games would be under the RWO microscope with calls for more untried young players to be promoted because “they can’t be any worse than what we’ve been doing”.
For me the reality is, it was a 5 point win that could easily have been a 1 point loss, that would have significantly changed this entire thread. I am almost never a subscriber to bemoaners who cry “if this had happened during the game it would have made a difference to the result” ... the butterfly effect theorises that anything changing early in a game could have unimaginable and unpredictable repercussions. In contrast, this incident is clear cut: free paid against Rampe, Myers gets an after the siren shot from point blank.

As for Gil’s comment that if Rampe has stayed up there, a free would have been paid, if you look at how long he was up there and what actually transpired in play: Rampe starts climbing the goalpost as the Myers starts his run up, he is still up there as Myers kicks and doesn’t get off until the ball is well in flight. How much longer could he have stayed up there before they turned off the SCG lights - ok that last bit of obviously for sarcastic effect, but he was up there for the majority of the passage of the final play. That’s not insignificant, in my books.

But it didn’t happen that way.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad it wasn’t paid. I’m glad we won. But his “brain-fade” moment occurred during the entire course of play. My point is there is a lot of complaining and blaming on here every time we lose. More finger pointing that Macca (that’s in jest - love Macca).

And an incident that had the potential to completely change the result, and despite what face saving Gil-the-dill or RWO conspiracy theorists say, it was certainly well entitled to be paid. For me that’s a bit of a reality check (to a degree on the decisions we don’t get, to a larger degree on how aggrieved Bombers fans are entitled to feel on this one). I don’t really care for Essendon (or any other team) or their fans, but in this singular incident, I have sympathy for them as, if the situation were reversed I wouldn’t be happy. And - for me - it easily could have been.

No one has to agree with me, and that’s ok.

[stevoswan]

An 8 - 24 free kick count in favour of Collingwood might take a bit of focus off Spider-Dane.
My stepson was at the game and said the umps ruined a cracker!

That is actually a worse count than the 2016 GF!

[stevoswan]

I didn’t say it would have impacted on the shot at goal. If it was adjudicated to the letter of the law, it would have impacted the result. ie a free kick in the goal square.
And if that had happened, I guessing the mood would have changed here significantly. Rampe would have been crucified. I’m quite confident, from many previous examples, Horse would have copped plenty of flack. Numerous players who had quieter games would be under the RWO microscope with calls for more untried young players to be promoted because “they can’t be any worse than what we’ve been doing”.
For me the reality is, it was a 5 point win that could easily have been a 1 point loss, that would have significantly changed this entire thread. I am almost never a subscriber to bemoaners who cry “if this had happened during the game it would have made a difference to the result” ... the butterfly effect theorises that anything changing early in a game could have unimaginable and unpredictable repercussions. In contrast, this incident is clear cut: free paid against Rampe, Myers gets an after the siren shot from point blank.

As for Gil’s comment that if Rampe has stayed up there, a free would have been paid, if you look at how long he was up there and what actually transpired in play: Rampe starts climbing the goalpost as the Myers starts his run up, he is still up there as Myers kicks and doesn’t get off until the ball is well in flight. How much longer could he have stayed up there before they turned off the SCG lights - ok that last bit of obviously for sarcastic effect, but he was up there for the majority of the passage of the final play. That’s not insignificant, in my books.

But it didn’t happen that way.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad it wasn’t paid. I’m glad we won. But his “brain-fade” moment occurred during the entire course of play. My point is there is a lot of complaining and blaming on here every time we lose. More finger pointing that Macca (that’s in jest - love Macca).

And an incident that had the potential to completely change the result, and despite what face saving Gil-the-dill or RWO conspiracy theorists say, it was certainly well entitled to be paid. For me that’s a bit of a reality check (to a degree on the decisions we don’t get, to a larger degree on how aggrieved Bombers fans are entitled to feel on this one). I don’t really care for Essendon (or any other team) or their fans, but in this singular incident, I have sympathy for them as, if the situation were reversed I wouldn’t be happy. And - for me - it easily could have been.

No one has to agree with me, and that’s ok.

I agree.....good post.

Like you, glad Ramp's brain fade didn't cost us and yes, if it did cost us, the tone of this thread would have been vastly more negative.....but that's footy!!

[Meg]

On the Myers mark. It seemed identical to the McCartin mark at the end of the 2nd Q. We were in the Trumper Stand and Tom's mark seemed to be clearly before the siren as was Myers.

McCartin’s was not a mark as the ball had not travelled 15m (you can hear the umpire call that on the replay). McCartin played on but the siren sounded fractionally before he kicked the ball.

It might have been no more than a millisecond but the decision was correct.

[Wardy]

Clearly a throw from our perspective on the O'Reilly Wing. The crowd there was going off about it.

We could see it very clearly from the upper deck Brewongle - everyone saw it- yet nuthin!! And I didn’t even know about the Rampe Climb Until I got home.

[Ludwig]

I was quite bemused by the alleged Rampe incident, since Dane is part of Ludwig's off season meditation program.

My theory is that it was a Dane Rampe hologram that climbed the pole.

In any case, I will have to consider removing pole dancing from the syllabus this year.

The main thing is that I absolutely guaranteed Nico a Swans victory and we came through. The boys weren't going to send me back to Thailand without some momento of my time here.

[Mel_C]

I have a feeling the AFL will change the rule to say you can't climb the goal post. We like being involved in the introduction of rules. Taking out the legs, Interchange, Runners restriction and indirectly the Toby Greene kick. I guess we have to give Steve Hocking something to do!