2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • Steve
    Regular in the Side
    • Jan 2003
    • 676

    Whether any of us agree or not re: Aliir being traded, it would be almost certain we (ie. the club) have at least had a discussion and are open to it.

    It happened with Hannebery - when those rumours started the fan reaction was ‘he’s under contract, tell St Kilda to x&@$ off, how would they feel if we started talking to all their contracted players ...’ but the silence from the club at the time not hosing it down later made sense that we were on board with the move all along.

    It would be a disgrace if the AFL allowed that rumoured deal between St Kilda and Adelaide for the Crows to get pick 2 - but I think it is more of a conspiracy theory than reality.

    The AFL say they review each trade and don’t approve it if it is lopsided to get around other rules - but it’s hard to trust them.

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    • i'm-uninformed2
      Reefer Madness
      • Oct 2003
      • 4653

      I’d like to keep Aliir, particularly given the imbalance of fit talks on our list.

      I’d imagine the only circumstances we consider it are if we get a ruckman we want in return.
      'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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      • Markwebbos
        Veterans List
        • Jul 2016
        • 7186

        Originally posted by Steve
        Whether any of us agree or not re: Aliir being traded, it would be almost certain we (ie. the club) have at least had a discussion and are open to it.

        It happened with Hannebery - when those rumours started the fan reaction was ‘he’s under contract, tell St Kilda to x&@$ off, how would they feel if we started talking to all their contracted players ...’ but the silence from the club at the time not hosing it down later made sense that we were on board with the move all along.
        We offloaded Hanners to the Saints, rather than vice versa. Part of the mysterious cleanout that included Rohan.

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        • Melbourne_Blood
          Senior Player
          • May 2010
          • 3312

          Originally posted by Steve
          Whether any of us agree or not re: Aliir being traded, it would be almost certain we (ie. the club) have at least had a discussion and are open to it.

          It happened with Hannebery - when those rumours started the fan reaction was ‘he’s under contract, tell St Kilda to x&@$ off, how would they feel if we started talking to all their contracted players ...’ but the silence from the club at the time not hosing it down later made sense that we were on board with the move all along.

          It would be a disgrace if the AFL allowed that rumoured deal between St Kilda and Adelaide for the Crows to get pick 2 - but I think it is more of a conspiracy theory than reality.

          The AFL say they review each trade and don’t approve it if it is lopsided to get around other rules - but it’s hard to trust them.
          AA might also want to leave if the deal is better from Port, which I imagine it would be if their trying to patch a contracted player.


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          • Steve
            Regular in the Side
            • Jan 2003
            • 676

            Originally posted by Markwebbos
            We offloaded Hanners to the Saints, rather than vice versa. Part of the mysterious cleanout that included Rohan.
            Which we may be doing with Allir, seeking extra draft picks and possibly also a bit more salary cap flexibility if there are players we're trying to bring in.

            Such moves would evolve and be fairly mutual - might start with the club talking to the player and their agent about whether they would be open to being traded away (and that would be a spectrum - from 'only if an amazing offer came forward' to 'we need to shed players and think you're a good candidate'), then the agent goes exploring with other clubs, interested clubs come back and express their interest to the current club etc.

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            • Molly dooker
              Lifer!
              • Jun 2007
              • 247

              *COACH

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              • Molly dooker
                Lifer!
                • Jun 2007
                • 247

                Let me try this again....

                Rumour from Adelaide is Crouch was coming to Sydney until a new coach signed on.

                So, money for JD last year and Crouch this year not spent we have $$$'s to spend.

                FWIW, I would be happy to give Jesse H a chance. We've proven that it can work out when you take a maturing young man away from bad influences, careers and champions can be made.

                I would also be happy to throw a few bucks at Paddy if HE wants to give it a go. I get all the medical concerns but he's a big man and with expert opinion approval, can make his own mind up.

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                • The Big Cat
                  On the veteran's list
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 2349

                  Originally posted by Molly dooker
                  Let me try this again....

                  Rumour from Adelaide is Crouch was coming to Sydney until a new coach signed on.

                  So, money for JD last year and Crouch this year not spent we have $$$'s to spend.
                  New coach where? Adelaide, St Kilda, Sydney. Don't get the timeline of events. Are you saying he was willing to give Nicks a go, but has now decided he will leave anyway and for some reason no longer wants (or is wanted by) the Swans. Does that imply we've got another fish dangling?

                  Don't think there would have been any money reserved for JD. The request to come to the Swans last year came from him, and was very late. Maybe they'd reserved some for Crouch if your scenario is accurate, and when he stayed in Adelaide it may have then been earmarked for JD. I can't see us being cashed up with the big Bud still on our list and big contracts to Kennedy, Parker, Isaac and Mills.
                  Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                  • Molly dooker
                    Lifer!
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 247

                    Originally posted by The Big Cat
                    New coach where? Adelaide, St Kilda, Sydney. Don't get the timeline of events. Are you saying he was willing to give Nicks a go, but has now decided he will leave anyway and for some reason no longer wants (or is wanted by) the Swans. Does that imply we've got another fish dangling?

                    Don't think there would have been any money reserved for JD. The request to come to the Swans last year came from him, and was very late. Maybe they'd reserved some for Crouch if your scenario is accurate, and when he stayed in Adelaide it may have then been earmarked for JD. I can't see us being cashed up with the big Bud still on our list and big contracts to Kennedy, Parker, Isaac and Mills.
                    The bloke we got to replce Blakey, used to be head coach at Adelaide. The bloke who took over when Phil Walsh died.

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                    • Aprilbr
                      Senior Player
                      • Oct 2016
                      • 1803

                      Originally posted by Markwebbos
                      We offloaded Hanners to the Saints, rather than vice versa. Part of the mysterious cleanout that included Rohan.
                      I'm not sure that offloading those two was such a mystery. Hanners was being paid as an elite midfielder but was no longer able to perform at that level due to injuries. Rohan was highly paid given the spasmodic performances that he gave us and his questionable finals record. I liked both players but it made sense for us at the time to move on those two players as our golden era had come to an end.

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                      • Markwebbos
                        Veterans List
                        • Jul 2016
                        • 7186

                        Originally posted by Molly dooker
                        The bloke we got to replce Blakey, used to be head coach at Adelaide. The bloke who took over when Phil Walsh died.
                        Are you saying that BC and Don Pyke don’t get on? Either C wouldn’t play with P or P had some information that squashed the deal?

                        That does make some sense, and it implies the recruitment of Pyke was relatively sudden, which it may have been.

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                        • The Big Cat
                          On the veteran's list
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2349

                          Originally posted by Molly dooker
                          The bloke we got to replce Blakey, used to be head coach at Adelaide. The bloke who took over when Phil Walsh died.
                          Don Pyke. Interesting theory. Thought that stuff would be sorted if they were super keen on another slow accumulator.
                          Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                          • Markwebbos
                            Veterans List
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 7186

                            Originally posted by Aprilbr
                            I'm not sure that offloading those two was such a mystery. Hanners was being paid as an elite midfielder but was no longer able to perform at that level due to injuries. Rohan was highly paid given the spasmodic performances that he gave us and his questionable finals record. I liked both players but it made sense for us at the time to move on those two players as our golden era had come to an end.
                            There are two mysteries: (1) it seemed to happen quite suddenly, out-of-the-blue. Why? (2) what did the club do with the $ they saved. We are still waiting!

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              Aliir is a RFA next year. It's a good time for his manager to drum up interest from other clubs, as it's also the best time to push for a long-term contract extension.

                              It also sounds a bit disingenuous that Port don't want to trade any of their 3 ruckmen.

                              The Swans have come to the end stage of rebuilding from the draft, especially given the good draft we should be having this year. It's not be time to top up with mid career players, but it's also not the time to let go of our players in their mid 20s, like Aliir. We don't want to become an even less experienced team. It's time to grow up.

                              The Swans must be the most secretive club around when it comes to player movements. It's like trying to get Bloods from a drone.
                              Last edited by Ludwig; 24 October 2020, 05:07 PM.

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                              • Nico
                                Veterans List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 11328

                                Originally posted by Ludwig
                                Aliir is a RFA next year. It's a good time for his manager to drum up interest from other clubs, as it's also the best time to push for a long-term contract extension.

                                It also sounds a bit disingenuous that Port don't want to trade any of their 3 ruckmen.

                                The Swans have come to the end stage of rebuilding from the draft, especially given the good draft we should be having this year. It's not be time to top up with mid career players, but it's also not the time to let go of our players in their mid 20s, like Aliir. We don't want to become an even less experienced team. It's time to grow up.

                                The Swans must be the most secretive club around when it comes to player movements. It's like trying to get Bloods from a drone.
                                The Swans know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away.
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