2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[bennyfabulous]

Is the fact the trade isn't going to be done today meaning the Swans are trying to get another pick from elsewhere to pass on for Hickey?

Does it Ugg? You generally know more than most.

[gloveski]

What everyone is missing here is that West Coast don’t want to loose Hickey . They see him as there starting ruck if Nic Nat goes down . West Coast hold the cards and will not just give him away


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[Ludwig]

What everyone is missing here is that West Coast don’t want to loose Hickey . They see him as there starting ruck if Nic Nat goes down . West Coast hold the cards and will not just give him away




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Even though I argued to the contrary, I suppose you are correct in reality, although they still have Nathan Vardy as a backup. But the fact is that he's not very good and gets injured a lot. It's really sad that we're looking for a backup for Sinclair. You would think we would target a better player, or just pass on the whole thing and go with Amartey and McLean as backups. I have a problem with how we try to make up for lack of quality with quantity when it comes to ruckmen.

[gloveski]

Even though I argued to the contrary, I suppose you are correct in reality, although they still have Nathan Vardy as a backup. But the fact is that he's not very good and gets injured a lot. It's really sad that we're looking for a backup for Sinclair. You would think we would target a better player, or just pass on the whole thing and go with Amartey and McLean as backups. I have a problem with how we try to make up for lack of quality with quantity when it comes to ruckmen.

I hope I’m wrong and we get him for steak knives . But Vardy looks cooked and Williams not quite ready hence why they would prefer to keep Hickey even if it is for only 12 months . This gives Williams a chance to develop and not be thrown in the deep end if Nic Nat goes down


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[Markwebbos]

I don’t think Hickey will cost too much, although it may be more than Jesse Hogan

[barry]

I was wrong, according to the Age, "Jesse Hogan has left more $500,000 on the table after tearing up his contract and accepting a new one-year deal with the Giants as he attempts to revive his flagging AFL career ... he was prepared to negotiate a new deal with Greater Western Sydney in order to give himself a fresh start with them."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/saints-watching-treloar-over-collingwood-s-shoulder-20201104-p56bk3.html

So they got him for nothing and they are paying him little

That's a pretty good deal for the giants. Zac Langdon was pick 50-something originally, so has kept his market value.
Hogan must be desperate to keep playing, so may come good as a replacement for Cameron, or if Cameron stays, a replacement for Phil Davis or lachie Keefe down back.

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I don’t think Hickey will cost too much, although it may be more than Jesse Hogan

Hickey is a total waste of time. At best he'll be marginally better than sinkers.

[troyjones2525]

I read in an article that young untried Bulldogs ruck Jordon Sweet is out of contract. 202cm and big lump of a lad. A look on YouTube at his SANFL highlights before being drafted showed he has some ability and decent mobility for a big man!

Surely worth a crack instead of 30 year old Hickey...

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[Thunder Shaker]

The ruck is a cursed position for the Swans. Either the player doesn't play a lot of games for us when we recruit them, or we're raiding other clubs for rucks, or those few that we do recruit end up going elsewhere.

We're doing very well if we can get a ruckman to play 100 games.
* Stafford 130 - finished at Richmond.
* Pyke 110 - mature aged recruit.
* Ball 90 - recruited from West Coast.
* Jolly 118 - recruited from Melbourne, finished at Collingwood.
* Sinclair 85 - recruited from West Coast.
* Mumford 79 - recruited from Geelong, transferred to GWS.

[AnsweredPrayers]

I think people are a being a bit harsh on Sinclair. He was really a forward who could fill in as a second ruck. If we had the luxury of playing him in that role I think he would have kicked a lot of goals and taken the pressure off Buddy.
As it is, he's been the number one ruckman where he's given the Swans 100% of his effort every week.

[waswan]

Would play Sinclair and Reid in the Ruck/Fwd. Plus rookie draft a mature Ruck
Leave Alir he did his bit.

Hickey for 3 yrs is a joke

[gloveski]

I think people are a being a bit harsh on Sinclair. He was really a forward who could fill in as a second ruck. If we had the luxury of playing him in that role I think he would have kicked a lot of goals and taken the pressure off Buddy.
As it is, he's been the number one ruckman where he's given the Swans 100% of his effort every week.

No doubt at all can never question his effort . He has had to shoulder the ruck when really forward ruck is his ideal position


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[707]

Would play Sinclair and Reid in the Ruck/Fwd. Plus rookie draft a mature Ruck
Leave Alir he did his bit.

Hickey for 3 yrs is a joke

You have to offer sufficient to get a player to move states, particularly one that still has a contract. I wouldn't have thought 3 years, if that is the term, is too much given we need time to see if Naismith returns and plays or sweat on another back up ruck becoming available or develop a youngster of our own.

Agree we should now just settle Aliir into a back line position where he can play to his strengths.

[AB Swannie]

Fox Rampe Cunningham
Lloyd McCartin Mills

This would be my starting back 6. Add Melican, Brand, and Gould as KPDs who could play when needing extra height.

My point is that Aliir will need to work his backside off in order to jump these players and “settle into a back line position.” I really hope he can because it will mean that he is playing at an outstanding level.

[Ralph Dawg]

Fox Rampe Cunningham
Lloyd McCartin Mills

This would be my starting back 6. Add Melican, Brand, and Gould as KPDs who could play when needing extra height.

My point is that Aliir will need to work his backside off in order to jump these players and “settle into a back line position.” I really hope he can because it will mean that he is playing at an outstanding level.

I wonder whether McCartain will actually start in defence. We have plenty of medium to tall options yet beyond the busted brothers, Buddy and Reid, not much up forward. I have little confidence that McLean or Amartey will amount to much. As such, I suspect our next flag threatening key forwards will be McCartain and someone not yet at the club.

Re Hickey, makes no sense offering him 3 years. He would only be marginally better than Cal at best so can't really see why we would go to the effort to trade him in at all. Better off sticking with Cal, who will have good backup from Aliir and Reid and then getting a younger option (either main list or rookie). I felt that Reid should've rucked more in 2020 - the few times he did, actually looked pretty good.

[Ocker]

I think people are a being a bit harsh on Sinclair. He was really a forward who could fill in as a second ruck. If we had the luxury of playing him in that role I think he would have kicked a lot of goals and taken the pressure off Buddy.
As it is, he's been the number one ruckman where he's given the Swans 100% of his effort every week.

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