2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[MattW]

I'm optimistic.
Got a Ruckman- Ive seen a couple very good games by Hickey - Tick
Kept pick 3. - Tick
Moved picks to get more points for Academy players -Tick
Used AA to facilitate all above. (we have cover for his position) - Tick

I don't see the doom and gloom when i look at it all as a whole.

Glass half full!

Yes, the key objectives were achieved. Did what we could with what he had to progress the things we needed. Pragmatic, principled, no-nonsense trading.

[waswan]

So we have 7 picks and from memory, pick trading can continue right upto the draft and to go to the draft with 7 picks, i assume we need to have 7 spots on the list ?

More consolidation to come i suspect

[KSAS]

Essendon got 6, 7 and 8
GWS 10, 13, 15, 20

Reckon they'll both be trying hard to get up the order

Geelong's first pick is now ... this if nothing else brings a huge smile to my face ... 51. Totally bent over by GWS

David King thinks clubs like GWS who have multi R1 picks will bid on Noth's pick 2 who are likely to be more interested in quantity over quality for first round picks. Don't think we'd be interested doing similar with our pick 3 considering the pick swaps we did today to help match the potential bidding points for Campbell & Gulden whilst retaining pick 3, which I hope will land us either MacDonald, Tilthorpe or Hollands.

David King is also bullish about our list, predicting we'll come on with a rush playing finals again starting early as next year!

He also wondered whether the Bulldogs missed an opportunity to draft 2 high quality key forwards serving them for the next decade, if they traded Dunkley for picks 6 & 14 and swapped them for North's pick 2. This would've potentially enabled them to either draft MacDonald or Tilthorpe before the bid came for JUH.

[Ludwig]

If Essendon were to try this the AFL would be taking a close look at the draft rules to stop this from happening again. A fair rule change would be deeming the player to be bid on with the club's last consecutive pick.

But they're not saying it to the AFL. Essendon can choose to use their 3 consecutive picks as they wish. They can bid on players with any pick they want or pass on all players linked to other clubs.

The only point I am making is that by using an earlier pick instead of a later one, knowing that they are not getting the player anyway can be construed as being a bit malicious. It's okay to keep these linked pick clubs honest, but I haven't seen any malice in the process so far. The list manager are quite collegial; competitive, but not vindictive. They still have to come back next year and do this all over again with the same people. The shoe may be on the other foot then.

[Thunder Shaker]

David King thinks clubs like GWS who have multi R1 picks will bid on Noth's pick 2 who are likely to be more interested in quantity over quality for first round picks. Don't think we'd be interested doing similar with our pick 3 considering the pick swaps we did today to help match the potential bidding points for Campbell & Gulden whilst retaining pick 3, which I hope will land us either MacDonald, Tilthorpe or Hollands.

David King is also bullish about our list, predicting we'll come on with a rush playing finals again starting early as next year!

He also wondered whether the Bulldogs missed an opportunity to draft 2 high quality key forwards serving them for the next decade, if they traded Dunkley for picks 6 & 14 and swapped them for North's pick 2. This would've potentially enabled them to either draft MacDonald or Tilthorpe before the bid came for JUH.

The Bulldogs would have no interest at all in acquiring pick 2. If Adelaide bid on JUH at pick 1, pick 2 would be used to match the bid and the leftover points would become pick 62.

[The Runner]

If you have any concerns over the quality of our list management.. watch the interview with Ned Guy on Fox footy. You'll feel better.

[AB Swannie]

One thing we can be sure of with the drafting of pick 3 is that we really have no idea what KB and SD are thinking. Every year the phantom draft gurus nominate a player or two for our pick and invariably they get it wrong. Last year, we were drafting Sam Flanders. No one had us pegged for Dyl Stephens. This year, they’ve latched on to DGB.

Like it or not, our club keeps these things close to their chest.

[707]

So we have 7 picks and from memory, pick trading can continue right upto the draft and to go to the draft with 7 picks, i assume we need to have 7 spots on the list ?

More consolidation to come i suspect

You get a pick for every senior list vacancy. I did an exercise that shows we have 31 contracted players so we're ok

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If you have any concerns over the quality of our list management.. watch the interview with Ned Guy on Fox footy. You'll feel better.

Cringe worthy embarrassing, a must watch. Wonder if anyone at the Pies will get the chop over this disaster? The silence from Fat Chins is deafening, maybe he has his fingers in this pie disaster.

[dejavoodoo44]

You get a pick for every senior list vacancy. I did an exercise that shows we have 31 contracted players so we're ok

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Cringe worthy embarrassing, a must watch. Wonder if anyone at the Pies will get the chop over this disaster? The silence from Fat Chins is deafening, maybe he has his fingers in this pie disaster.

From a distance, it seems like somebody badly miscalculated how much they're paying their players. If that is the case, you have to wonder if they were significantly over the cap, this season? And who would be ultimately responsible for authorising those payments?

[waswan]

He also wondered whether the Bulldogs missed an opportunity to draft 2 high quality key forwards serving them for the next decade, if they traded Dunkley for picks 6 & 14 and swapped them for North's pick 2. This would've potentially enabled them to either draft MacDonald or Tilthorpe before the bid came for JUH.

Have you seen their midfield ?
You could put a scarecrow at full forward and it would kick 60 goals

[The Big Cat]

Have you seen their midfield ?
You could put a scarecrow at full forward and it would kick 60 goals

North traded the scarecrow to Melbourne.

[Melbourne_Blood]

If you have any concerns over the quality of our list management.. watch the interview with Ned Guy on Fox footy. You'll feel better.

Wow. That was absolutely woeful. How is this guy in charge of a list ? The argument they wanted to improve their list by trading out one of the comps best mids, a rising star winner from 2 years ago and a very honest winger for picks 14 & 16 essentially ? Come on mate .

Pies fans must be furious! It’s pretty great haha.


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[S.S. Bleeder]

Not to bang on about it but worth noting that Fantasia + pick 79 netted pick 29 and a future third from Port. That’s more like what we should have got for AA. AA more resilient, versatile and tall. And contracted. Fantasia injury prone small forward who has shown flashes of brilliance.


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Picks are irrelevant to us. We are only concerned with getting the points for Campbell and Gulden. I would imagine our net points result would be similar to that Fantasia result.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I suppose the pies stacked back ended contracts to go for a GF in 2019 and 2020

It didn't happen just like it didn't happen in 2015/2016 nor 2017 for us when we had a monster squad

Only difference is that they are offloading players in one big hit

We did it with hannes, rohan etc but are stuck with a massive single contract but this player is not playing

[Auntie.Gerald]

Saints have gone with early draft picks in Clark, Coffee, King picks 7,8,4 last few years in the draft

In amongst this stratgey has been significant trades via 9 or so x top22 style players last few years also

Steele
Hannes
Hill
Butler
Ryder
Howard
Jones
Crouch
Higgins

They have popped up to 6th on the table in 2020 and traded again for Couch and Higgins this season

How do you evaluate a successful list management strategy ?

Years in the finals?
GF only?
Frequency of GFs like Richmond 3 in 4 years?
Improvement on the ladder every year?

What has to happen from here for the Saints?

Can we draw any parallels for us ie will we divert into more specific trades next few years like the Saints or have we truly become a club that can't achieve trades like a Melbourne club such as the Saints?