2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Blood Fever]

He wasn't a trade, but Buddy turned out to be an OK player that we plucked from obscurity. There have been a lot of busts and underwhelming imports ever since (again not all trades but not via the draft):

Tippett, Laidler, Derickx, Sinkers, Talia, Clarke, Thurlow, Brand, Gray, Taylor

Too.early to judge Brand

[Markwebbos]

Too.early to judge Brand

I'm quietly optimistic about Brand, probably the only one of the current bunch.

[Ludwig]

Pick 4 would be overs for a ruckman, but I agree with the need to bring in some players that can play forward and in the ruck.
Pick 2 for Papley, I reckon might prise him from our grasp. Although its doubtful he'd want to go to a team at the start of its rebuild... (cue howls about how he shouldn't get to choose)

I said pick 4 in part of a deal which would involve trading down, so we would get some picks back that should be enough to cover the points needed for Campbell and Gulden.

Pick 4, which will become pick 5 after Ugle-Hagen goes to the Bulldogs, is valued at 1878. That is the equivalent of 2 picks on the late teens, which should be roughly enough to get both Ladhams and Chol. At least in theory. For example, trading pick 5 to Richmond in exchange for their 1st rounder and moving that on to PA for Ladhams. It would likely leave us short on points for Campbell and Gulden, but we could swap 2021 picks for 2020 picks to make up the difference. We still have players to develop, but overall that would fill all the holes in our list and should make us a very solid team for quite a number of years.

[Markwebbos]

I said pick 4 in part of a deal which would involve trading down, so we would get some picks back that should be enough to cover the points needed for Campbell and Gulden.

Pick 4, which will become pick 5 after Ugle-Hagen goes to the Bulldogs, is valued at 1878. That is the equivalent of 2 picks on the late teens, which should be roughly enough to get both Ladhams and Chol. At least in theory. For example, trading pick 5 to Richmond in exchange for their 1st rounder and moving that on to PA for Ladhams. It would likely leave us short on points for Campbell and Gulden, but we could swap 2021 picks for 2020 picks to make up the difference. We still have players to develop, but overall that would fill all the holes in our list and should make us a very solid team for quite a number of years.

I'm sure Geelong could be interested in turning pick 4 into two in late teens and maybe a third rounder to sweeten the deal.
I've got no problem with any of your targets, although they are all forward rucks rather than genuine ruckmen. Can our midfield thrive feeding off scraps?

[Ralph Dawg]

He wasn't a trade, but Buddy turned out to be an OK player that we plucked from obscurity. There have been a lot of busts and underwhelming imports ever since (again not all trades but not via the draft):

Tippett, Laidler, Derickx, Sinkers, Talia, Clarke, Thurlow, Brand, Gray, Taylor

It's a real inexact science. Seems like you have to kiss alot of roads to get a prince!
All the fringe players are fringe at other clubs because of deficiencies, real or otherwise. I can just imagine if we were recruiting a young JPK now we would say he lacks speed to burst out of the contest and Mummy would be too out of condition!

[MightyBloods]

Dow was being talked about as a trade to another club so Carlton would have two first rounders to hand over to us for Paps. He sounds like a bust to me. I hope Papley stays. He's playing like he wants to be part of the team.

Darcy Moore isn't going anywhere. He's probably going to be AA this year.

I also think we will be doing everything in our power NOT to have to use pick 3 (or 5 by the time it gets to it) on Campbell.

Of those out of contract I can see some of Amartey, Bell, Foot, Knoll, Ling, McLean, Ronke, Stoddart getting delisted.

For me Ling and McLean are keepers.

[MightyBloods]

I know I said we shouldn't trade Papley, period, but I would seriously consider trading him to NM for pick #2. This would guarantee that we would get one of the two non-NGA tall forwards in the draft, Thilthorpe and McDonald.

Hawthorn are so bad that we have a very good chance of moving ahead of them on percentage, dropping us to pick 4. I would use that pick as part of a trade to get a ruckman, like Ladhams, Chol or Coleman-Jones. This would involve a trade down and give us more than enough points for both Campbell and Gulden.

If we came out of this post season losing Papley, but gaining Logan McDonald, Ladhams, Campbell and Gulden, I would be very satisfied. I wouldn't care if we get Daniher or not. I think we would be well set up for a big move up the ladder.

I'm also a fan of Ladhams. He would be great in growing with our current young brigade.

[Ludwig]

I'm sure Geelong could be interested in turning pick 4 into two in late teens and maybe a third rounder to sweeten the deal.
I've got no problem with any of your targets, although they are all forward rucks rather than genuine ruckmen. Can our midfield thrive feeding off scraps?

Ladhams is a genuine ruckman, but does a good job as a forward as well. Chol is more a forward, but his leap is so good, he can match it with any ruckman. Coleman-Jones is similar to Ladhams, but younger and has only played 1 AFL game. He was a pick 20, which is high for a ruckman.

The real dominant ruckmen just aren't available. No one is letting go of Nic Nat, Grundy or Gawn. So the rest of us have to make due with the best of the rest. Someone like Aliir would good, but he's just a bit too short. But Chol, at 2 metres, can get up there to contest the ruck contests. We've seen him enough at AFL level this year to know that he can do it.

[Melbourne_Blood]

I see Clarko is having a sook about QLD academies ( of all places ) now that he is going to have to go to the draft for once. Geez this guy is having a shocker this year.


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[707]

Agree with this.

We have a lot of holes in our list, and elite midfielders are one such hole.

Elite midfielders win you games, so lets get Tanner Brunn and Campbell and Gulden.

Who cares what deficit we get for next year, or this year.

We can trade out some players for 3 and 4 round picks to make up the deficit.

We need to really cull the list big time!

Deficit is no biggie, it comes off next years same round pick, so if we're short for Gulden, highly likely it comes off our 2021 second rounder, like I said, no biggie

The chance to add three potential top mids in one draft is a huge plus to our rebuild

Whoever mentioned Dow in a Papley trade, no way Dow is very much looking like yet another SOS high draft pick bust

[707]

I see Clarko is having a sook about QLD academies ( of all places ) now that he is going to have to go to the draft for once. Geez this guy is having a shocker this year.

Worry is with that attitude if Hawks get to pick 3 before us and bid on Campbell out of spite/pistoffness!

[MattW]

Worry is with that attitude if Hawks get to pick 3 before us and bid on Campbell out of spite/pistoffness!

Now you have me worried.

[Ludwig]

I see Clarko is having a sook about QLD academies ( of all places ) now that he is going to have to go to the draft for once. Geez this guy is having a shocker this year.

Maybe we've all overestimated Clarko. He's really not such a good coach after all. Let's face it. With Franklin, Roughead, Mitchell and Lewis, even Terry Wallace could win a premiership.

[dejavoodoo44]

Maybe we've all overestimated Clarko. He's really not such a good coach after all. Let's face it. With Franklin, Roughead, Mitchell and Lewis, even Terry Wallace could win a premiership.

And Rioli. And Hodge, whose commentary I like, as he seems to have a lot of tactical insight.

[Blood Fever]

Maybe we've all overestimated Clarko. He's really not such a good coach after all. Let's face it. With Franklin, Roughead, Mitchell and Lewis, even Terry Wallace could win a premiership.

He had an unbelievable list. In 2012, we played out of our skins and they kicked poorly for goal