2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

are you sugesting not many since Xavier? I have Darcy Cameron, Mcartin, Blakey (well kinda), McLean. We did have Tippet, Reid, sinclair and buddy signed up for years limiting spots. Aliir developing. We all know the big fellas take time and you dont want to go too tall. Through that period we needed pace to come in.

Or were you forgetting what Xavier did to himself?
ANALYSIS: Where did it all go wrong for Xavier Richards?

I'm saying Xavier was a D grade tall forward and I'm amazed we had no one better than him to play in the GF. I'm never going to forget how he self-sabotaged!

For whatever reason, we've struggled to get marking forwards on the ground ever since. Tippo only played 9 games after 2016. Buddy and Reid you would say are the top two, but have had a lot of injuries in the last two years. And both are on their way out. McCartin has done amazingly well playing most of his 44 games as a teenager. But he may be about to become our next great defender.

Which leaves Sinkers, now 30 who's also our main ruckman by default. Blakey is never going to be a KPF. Cameron played one game and hasn't set the world alight at the Pies. McLean, Knoll, Amartey etc, we've barely / never seen and it wouldn't be a complete surprise if none of them were on our list next year.

AA has been playing in defence. May well be a better option in the ruck than Sinkers.

If you project forward two years, when Buddy is retired and Reid is back in rehab, who is going to be leading our forward line?

[Thunder Shaker]

I'm hopeful that Papps will stay with us but my gut feel is that he will again ask to be traded to the Blues. We will then have to decide whether to keep him regardless of his unhappiness, or trade him. If we got a really good offer for him then we may decide to trade him and give ourselves potentially two top 10 draft picks which could help us develop a really nice future looking ahead.

If Papley wants a trade to Carlton, their first-round pick would not be enough. He is contracted and in decent form. I said that Carlton's pick 9 was unders last year, and Carlton's first round pick would be unders now.

There's also the possibility that other clubs may be interested. North Melbourne were reportedly interested last year as well. If so, that would increase the price.

The annoying thing if Papley chooses to be traded - if he plays the remaining five games and leaves at the end of the year, he would have played 99 games for Sydney. 100 games is the trigger for father-son recruitment.

[Melbourne_Blood]

If Papley wants a trade to Carlton, their first-round pick would not be enough. He is contracted and in decent form. I said that Carlton's pick 9 was unders last year, and Carlton's first round pick would be unders now.

There's also the possibility that other clubs may be interested. North Melbourne were reportedly interested last year as well. If so, that would increase the price.

The annoying thing if Papley chooses to be traded - if he plays the remaining five games and leaves at the end of the year, he would have played 99 games for Sydney. 100 games is the trigger for father-son recruitment.

Pick 2 would certainly be a lot more palatable, although I’d still prefer to keep Paps. Pick 2,3 Campbell and Gulden is a nice draft hand. Even allowing for one of those early picks to be offered as trade bait if a suitable target is identified.

The though of a swans forward line without Papley is a grim one though.


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The annoying thing if Papley chooses to be traded - if he plays the remaining five games and leaves at the end of the year, he would have played 99 games for Sydney. 100 games is the trigger for father-son recruitment.

Looks like no trade this year then!

We got it right with Rhyce Shaw and Marty Mattner who both played just under 100 for former clubs but 100+ for us

[Ralph Dawg]

We've lacked a runner out of defence who can break lines for a long time now. I don't think Stoddart is the answer, jury still out on Ling and McInerney. Would it be an option to start the career of Campbell or even Gulden (maybe our version of Caleb Daniel) off half back?

I know it was essentially an exhibition match but how good did Mills and Johannisen playing in tandem?

[Melbourne_Blood]

We've lacked a runner out of defence who can break lines for a long time now. I don't think Stoddart is the answer, jury still out on Ling and McInerney. Would it be an option to start the career of Campbell or even Gulden (maybe our version of Caleb Daniel) off half back?

I know it was essentially an exhibition match but how good did Mills and Johannisen playing in tandem?

Daniel is not really a ‘line breaker’ but he’s such a good ball user with great vision. And a good kick moves the ball faster than any runner can. I don’t know heaps about Gulden but have had the thought he could perhaps play this type of role eventually. He is supposedly a very efficient user of the ball and knows how to find it. Plus he is the right height

We do really lack that running line breaking half back. It’s been such a hallmark of swans sides over the years. Would be nice if one of those you mentioned could fill that role. Gould also potentially. Not as quick but certainly capable of taking it on and providing drive ( in a Shannon Hurn type fashion ).


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[Ralph Dawg]

Daniel is not really a ‘line breaker’ but he’s such a good ball user with great vision. And a good kick moves the ball faster than any runner can. I don’t know heaps about Gulden but have had the thought he could perhaps play this type of role eventually. He is supposedly a very efficient user of the ball and knows how to find it. Plus he is the right height

We do really lack that running line breaking half back. It’s been such a hallmark of swans sides over the years. Would be nice if one of those you mentioned could fill that role. Gould also potentially. Not as quick but certainly capable of taking it on and providing drive ( in a Shannon Hurn type fashion ).


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True about Daniel. I guess Lloyd plays his role for us. Campbell looks to have some serious wheels and added bonus of that left foot. I guess we've got to get him first, get him into the system then see how his preseason goes so I'm most probably getting ahead of myself.

[Nico]

He has the physique of Stewie Dew! Presumably there will be some blunt conversations about getting himself in shape or not getting a game. Didn't they persuade Lewis Jetta to train with Kieren Jack to get himself in shape? I wonder if they need to pair LTaylor up with someone to get him in better shape.

Gotta get him off the Hub Pizzas. At least move him to a small vegetarian. Fair chance performance is a large chunk of his contract.

[Nico]

I don’t think we’ll be looking for a ‘quick fix’ bit if there is a player or players in the right age demographic that could fill some gaps on our list and help speed up our return to finals, then hopefully we’ll be looking into them. I’m not talking superstars on monster contract offers, I mean more the sort of recruiting we used to be quite astute with.

If we’re going to keep Mccartin down back, perhaps out of contract Jeremy Finlayson could be looked at as a tall forward? Right age bracket, out of contract. Other much bigger priority signings at the giants this year.


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Finlayson is not getting a game for one very big reason; form. Better as a back man.

[Nico]

If Papley wants a trade to Carlton, their first-round pick would not be enough. He is contracted and in decent form. I said that Carlton's pick 9 was unders last year, and Carlton's first round pick would be unders now.

There's also the possibility that other clubs may be interested. North Melbourne were reportedly interested last year as well. If so, that would increase the price.

The annoying thing if Papley chooses to be traded - if he plays the remaining five games and leaves at the end of the year, he would have played 99 games for Sydney. 100 games is the trigger for father-son recruitment.

Couldn't be less interested if Paps plays a 100 games for us and has a son. I'll be over 90 if he gets drafted at all. I believe his brother is in the draft this year. Maybe a smart move would be tp pick him up with a late pick or rookie, even if he is ordinary, just to keep Tom with us.

[MightyBloods]

I'm surprised our conditioning staff have let this get so far out of control. Something is not right.


Generally speaking (not specifically about Taylor), I think there's way too much criticism of some of our players, especially when they have one bad outing. A lot of it could be psychological, given that everyone knows that we're not playing finals and being away from home so long, it can seem like no one is watching.

There's even growing criticism of George Hewett, even though he's out with injury. It's as if anyone who hasn't starred in the last game should be up for delisting.

There will be a lot of pressure on our coaching staff to get this group going in the right direction once pre-season training kicks in. We don't have the talent of a Gold Coast and we have a few holes in our list related to ruck and forward positrons, but otherwise we should have a strong enough list to considerably improve in the coming years. It's not just one player in or out that's going to make the difference.

I wrote off this season before it started. Since the Covid break, I've been saying it's just a development season. Results really don't mean anything. It's been disappointing because of the plethora of injuries, but at least we are getting games into players that otherwise would not.

If we are still in the same place next year, then I think we will have plenty to complain about. But for now, I don't think it's panic time just yet.

Good post and totally agree.

[TheBloods]

I'm going to stick up for Sinclair and say our problem is more our inability to win the contest. Sinclair often gets the ball into a contest which our midfielders invariably lose. Or he tips it to advantage and our guys either drop it or dispose of it poorly. Often Rowbottom was flying through and over running a tap to his advantage. Our inside work has been average to poor for the last 2 seasons and it's easy to blame Cal. But perhaps we need to look at our midfield mix and make some tough decisions, a bit like when the Lions moved on Rockliff, Redden and Beams.............

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Be good if we could actually stick a tough tackle at the contest as well.

And I'm going to stick up for Rowbottom here. He's played 25 games. How many of those do you think were at the feet of a ruck who won the hit-outs? I would suggest very few. Do you think he has any connection with his ruck, or knows where Sinclair is going to place it, when he rarely gets to actually choose where he is going to place it? It can take years of experience learning to rove your ruck's taps, and our young ones like Rowbottom haven't had that privilege yet. One might as well wear a blindfold with Sinclair's tap work as you can never predict where they're going to end up.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Finlayson is not getting a game for one very big reason; form. Better as a back man.

He kicked 44 goals last year, had kicked one in every match he’d played this year up until getting dropped. His lack of tackling apparently behind his dropping. Riccardis good form may keep him out.

He’s an option, we need goal kickers. We currently have 1 consistent one in the team. It ain’t enough. If we could get him relatively cheaply, I think he’d be a good pickup.


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[Markwebbos]

Cal Twomey’s phantom form guide just went up with Campbell at 8 and Gulden at 15

Cal Twomey's 2020 Phantom Form Guide: September update

Those are both a bit high for my liking! Can anyone do the maths on those picks to see how big our deficit would be?

[magic.merkin]

I'm saying Xavier was a D grade tall forward and I'm amazed we had no one better than him to play in the GF. I'm never going to forget how he self-sabotaged!

For whatever reason, we've struggled to get marking forwards on the ground ever since. Tippo only played 9 games after 2016. Buddy and Reid you would say are the top two, but have had a lot of injuries in the last two years. And both are on their way out. McCartin has done amazingly well playing most of his 44 games as a teenager. But he may be about to become our next great defender.

Which leaves Sinkers, now 30 who's also our main ruckman by default. Blakey is never going to be a KPF. Cameron played one game and hasn't set the world alight at the Pies. McLean, Knoll, Amartey etc, we've barely / never seen and it wouldn't be a complete surprise if none of them were on our list next year.

AA has been playing in defence. May well be a better option in the ruck than Sinkers.

If you project forward two years, when Buddy is retired and Reid is back in rehab, who is going to be leading our forward line?

Sadly I can't argue with any of that. Luck and fortune has not been ours. It is a bit grim when combined with filing other needs at draft time.