2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[barry]

Finlayson is not getting a game for one very big reason; form.

But his form through 2019 was amazing. He's worth going after if avaliable. Good mark, long accurate kick. Bit lazy sometimes.

However I think the Giants still prefer him over Riccardi, and dropped him to give him as a wake up call. Riccardi has proved better than they thought.

[Markwebbos]

But his form through 2019 was amazing. He's worth going after if avaliable. Good mark, long accurate kick. Bit lazy sometimes.

However I think the Giants still prefer him over Riccardi, and dropped him to give him as a wake up call. Riccardi has proved better than they thought.

I think Riccardi is going to be hard to dislodge from the GWS side given the adoration he's receiving, and the way he plays. I can see Finlayson reading the writing on the wall.

[barry]

I think Riccardi is going to be hard to dislodge from the GWS side given the adoration he's receiving, and the way he plays. I can see Finlayson reading the writing on the wall.

Do you think Findlayson could hold down No.1 forward position though ?
He's always played No.2 behind Cameron.

Findlayson is a bit like Sam Reid.
Daniher is a bit like Buddy.

I think a forward line of Daniher/Findlayson is an upgrade on Buddy/Reid, just in terms of age profile and injury prone-ness.

[Markwebbos]

Do you think Findlayson could hold down No.1 forward position though ?
He's always played No.2 behind Cameron.

Findlayson is a bit like Sam Reid.
Daniher is a bit like Buddy.

I think a forward line of Daniher/Findlayson is an upgrade on Buddy/Reid, just in terms of age profile and injury prone-ness.

I actually thought he's 3rd tall behind Cameron and Himmelberg.

I'm not convinced Finlayson is the answer. But having thought about our tall fwd stocks, I'm convinced that with no one apparently banging the door down replace Buddy, Sam Reid or even McCartin (if the experiment in defense continues and is a success) then (1) it would not be crazy to try to get Daniher for free (draft picks wise) (2) we absolutely have to go after tall players aside from Campbell and Gulden in the draft (3) there are going to be some fringe talls floating around that we should investigate e.g. Schache, McCarthy, Hogan, Preuss, Ladhams etc. If one or more of them could also ruck that would be a bonus.

[Ralph Dawg]

Do you think Findlayson could hold down No.1 forward position though ?
He's always played No.2 behind Cameron.

Findlayson is a bit like Sam Reid.
Daniher is a bit like Buddy.

I think a forward line of Daniher/Findlayson is an upgrade on Buddy/Reid, just in terms of age profile and injury prone-ness.

Finlayson is different to Reid. For starters, he's available for selection way more. He is more mobile, has played off half back and on the wing over the years. I prefer him to Reid overall.

I think Giants would be amenable to off loading him. He's their third tall target (behind Himmelberg and Cameron), potentially fourth now with Riccardi on the scene, plus they have Sproule, Flynn and Briggs to play the third tall if required. He would be a good pick up for us, obviously at the right price.

[Melbourne_Blood]

NSW boy too so that helps


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[barry]

I actually thought he's 3rd tall behind Cameron and Himmelberg.

I have no idea how Himmelberg keeps getting a game to be honest, and I hope Swans steer well clear if he starts getting talked about as "gettable".

[caj23]

Despite the mass exodus from GWS every year, we haven't manage to recruit one GWS listed player (Harry doesn't count).

It's a poor reflection on our recruiting, but also an indication that we're unlikely to start now, so you can probably rule Finlayson out.

[Markwebbos]

Despite the mass exodus from GWS every year, we haven't manage to recruit one GWS listed player (Harry doesn't count).

It's a poor reflection on our recruiting, but also an indication that we're unlikely to start now, so you can probably rule Finlayson out.

I wonder why that is?

Do you think they cultivate such an Us-and-Them mentality that no player would ever want to come to the Swans? Or is it something they decided after we stole Buddy from them - never to deal with us? Or pure coincidence?

Maybe this is the year we grab a player or two from GW$

[Aprilbr]

I wonder why that is?

Do you think they cultivate such an Us-and-Them mentality that no player would ever want to come to the Swans? Or is it something they decided after we stole Buddy from them - never to deal with us? Or pure coincidence?

Maybe this is the year we grab a player or two from GW$

I think that its mainly because most of those GWS players that decided to leave them after a few years were originally drafted from Victoria and the dreaded "go home" factor came into play.

Having said that, when GWS first joined the competition I thought that we would feast on their players given we were the big players in town. I suppose if you look elsewhere in W.A., WCE have not tended to grab too many Dockers players either or in S.A. Crows grab Port players. They tend to opt to go interstate when leaving with a few exceptions.

Go home factor, significantly more money available elsewhere or seeking more opportunities elsewhere seem to be the main factors in decisions when players leave their Club.

[Aprilbr]

Pick 2 would certainly be a lot more palatable, although I’d still prefer to keep Paps. Pick 2,3 Campbell and Gulden is a nice draft hand. Even allowing for one of those early picks to be offered as trade bait if a suitable target is identified.

The though of a swans forward line without Papley is a grim one though.


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I really doubt that Papps would be seriously interested in going to North. They are heading into a major rebuild and he would want to go to a contender. There are many other more attractive Melbourne clubs for him to go to if he decides that he wants to return down there.

Managers generally talk to several Clubs about their players who are considering a move but then decide on one with the player. An auction to the highest bidder would be our best result if we are to lose Papps but it rarely comes down to that. Instead it will be a tough negotiation between two Clubs like what we saw with Essendon and us over Daniher last year. Our main leverage is that we can walk away from a potential suitor if they do not offer a decent return to us. This gives us a position of strength in negotiations. We are lucky that he is not coming out of contract. Apparently, Carlton are being tight-lipped about their intentions but all gloves will be off once the trade period kicks in.

One top 10 pick plus a future first rounder might be a fair result based on other high-profile trades in recent times. As a point of comparison, when GWS traded in-demand Dylan Shiel to Essendon they acquired Shiel and the Giants 2019 NAB AFL Draft second round pick, in exchange for pick nine in the 2018 NAB AFL Draft and a future first round pick. Charlie Cameron, a similar player to Papps, went to Brisbane for a No. 12 pick. Treleor went to Collingwood for a No. 7 pick plus a future first round pick. Danger went to Geelong for No. 9 and 28. Obviously, some of those were coming out of contract so that has to be factored into the equation.

[barry]

Lets say Riccardi kicks on and replaces Findlayson, or is at least as good as findlayson for GWS. That would mean Giants have a too many KPF, but dont want a premiership to hinge on a 20 year old kid.

In that scenario, would we do a straight swap of Reid for Finlayson.
We get a youngish reliable key forward. They get some insurance for Riccardi for the next couple of years.

win/win.

[The Runner]

Where on earth did the love for Finlayson come from? He's a mediocre footballer, who's been exposed big time this year. He is not a solution for our future forward line.

Daniher is a restricted free agent. Essendon took a huge gamble last year by holding him. It looks like it may pay off, if it's true he's fallen in love with Daylesford. His desire to get to us last year was as much about getting out of Melbourne as it was Essendon.

We'll get pick 4 / 5 in the draft. The dogs will get promoted to #1 with their ridiculous academy pick. Then we'll pick the best available player with our pick, before loading up points on Campbell and Gulden. Expect us to trade around 2nd/3rd round picks from this year and next to try to improve points available. Gulden has had a big past month and moved up from a 20-30 to 15-25 range now.

Unless we are prepared to trade Papley, then we aren't going to be active in the trade period at all. We'll have no picks to move, and not a lot of other players with upside that we want to move. So getting contracted guys like Chol becomes tough.

This means free agency is our best place to play. And aside from Kreuzer, Martin and Bellchambers, there are no rucks available. So it's hard to see where we get a decent ruck from in the short term.

If we're prepared to move Papley however, everything opens up. We can acquire some serious talent to replace him.

[707]

Agree Finlayson is a mediocre footballer, kicked goals last year purely by dint of the avalanche of quality ball coming in and defenders concentrating on Cameron. FF to this year, incoming supply is poor, Finlayson becomes invisible.

GWS loses players going home for more money, that's why we don't get them crossing town. As pointed out, it's the same in WA & SA.

Notice Twomey has Gulden at 15 now but 171cm players are rarely drafted in the first round.

[Ludwig]

Lets say Riccardi kicks on and replaces Findlayson, or is at least as good as findlayson for GWS. That would mean Giants have a too many KPF, but dont want a premiership to hinge on a 20 year old kid.

In that scenario, would we do a straight swap of Reid for Finlayson.
We get a youngish reliable key forward. They get some insurance for Riccardi for the next couple of years.

win/win.

GWS look to be a big loser in this trade. Why should they do it?

As far as we're concerned, I thought you said that Daniher was a lock for us next year, so why would we chase Finlayson?