2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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I'm imagining two options: Version 1 is the present one where clubs run the academies and have priority access to the players they produce. Version 2 is one where the AFL runs the academies and the clubs therefore have no priority access, but you still get more talent coming through. Do people have a problem with the second version?

In the Northern states, young teenagers are identifying with the club more than AFL as a game I believe.

Clarko's whinging is really embarrassing for him and Hawthorn IMO.

AFL will do whatever they choose to do about the NGA/Academy/FS distortion of the draft, with Fatchins approval of course. I see Pies are due for their second first round NGA bonus this draft!

[Thunder Shaker]

In the interim I can see a push to remove the discounts coming in the very near future.

I wonder who would be behind such a push?

If there are changes at all, the rule about top-4 clubs only being allowed to draft one academy player in the first round and other similar constraints will also need to be looked at.

The discounts could be standardised as a number of "discount" points that is equivalent to the points for a club's first-round pick divided by 5 (calculated on finishing position and ignoring priority picks, compensation picks etc), and can be spent paying for discounts. Once the points are spent, any additional drafts are at full value. Unused points are forfeited. A club finishing 18th gets 600 points, the premiers get 197. These points cannot be traded.

This removes the need for the rule that top-4 clubs cannot draft more than one Academy player in the first round. They'll be allowed to do so, but have to pay more for them.

The current system already functions as a pool of hidden discount points, but with no limit on the number of discount points a club may spend.

[Markwebbos]

Quite an in-depth article in the Hun about potential trade targets. Some interesting suggestions:

Category: | Herald Sun

*Carlton could offer up de Koning or Zac Fisher as part of a trade for Paps

Other gettable players include:

*Sier, Stephenson at the Pies
*Pearce or Hamling and Jesse Hogan at Freo
*Charlie Constable or Nakia Cockatoo at Geelong
*Will Brodie and Two Metre Peter at Gold Coast
*Finlayson at the Giants
*Brayshaw at Melbourne (unlikely I think), Preuss and Jayden Hunt
*Daw and Wood at Norf
*Ruckman Sam Hayes at Port
*Coleman-Jones at the Tigers (hmmmm) and Broad
*Vardy and Petruccelle at the Weagles

Swans suggested targets:

*Daniher at a cost of $1m a year x 5 years
*Toby Nankervis

[Ludwig]

I guess that was my question. If you deny the northern clubs priority access to local talent, but you still bring in more talent from NSW and QLD, is that still going to work as equalisation? Or in the short term, is it also necessary to give us first refusal on Swans academy players?

If we ever get to the stage where the game is as big in NSW and QLD as it is in the other states, then I suppose we wouldn't have a problem anymore. There wouldn't be a need for the academies, because kids would be playing aussie rules in all the schools. And the go home factor becomes the stay home factor.

[Legs Akimbo]

I'm imagining two options: Version 1 is the present one where clubs run the academies and have priority access to the players they produce. Version 2 is one where the AFL runs the academies and the clubs therefore have no priority access, but you still get more talent coming through. Do people have a problem with the second version?

My problem with the second version is that it never happened. Swans created the academy and it has benefited the game at our cost. The AFL could have done option 2, yet they did not.

[Auntie.Gerald]

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/players/1754/callum-coleman-jones

Swans have been helpful in showing a player an opportunity to leave Melbourne and re start a career

We need an emerging ruckman for our ruck depth

[KSAS]

Either Clarkson learns how to draft his own players for a change instead of poaching players from the other clubs in the AFL, or he's going to have to endure a few years of bottom-four finishes before being shown the door. A bottom-four club is not a "destination club" and he's going to have to rebuild his list the hard way.

Terry Wallace on SEN yesterday made observation surrounding Clarko's post match comment after their loss to Adelaide, how Hawthorn & the Swans who were competing in GFs are now both occupying lower rungs of ladder due to the swings of the system. Terry jumped on that by saying it's ok to be near the bottom if you are a young team like the Swans but not if you're an old team like Hawthorn. He went on to dissect the player profiles of each club to make his point & reinforce his belief the Swans have the best under 23 players in comp. He also compared the list strategies of both clubs, in the how Hawthorn went on topping up with mature players whilst we went on re-building on the run & have done so brilliantly. He also made point even if you take away the 3 academy players out of the picture (Heaney, Mills & Blakey) which everyone tends to gravitate, what is overlooked is the talent we drafted from low end & rookie selections in comparison to Hawthorn.

[Ralph Dawg]

Callum Coleman-Jones | AFL

Swans have been helpful in showing a player an opportunity to leave Melbourne and re start a career

We need an emerging ruckman for our ruck depth

Definitely gettable now, as is Stack. Don't know much about CCJ but I like Stack, could be just the runner off HB we need. Be a big call to sign either of them though after their indiscretion (even though looks like they were provoked), especially with ET on our books as well.

[MattW]

Definitely gettable now, as is Stack. Don't know much about CCJ but I like Stack, could be just the runner off HB we need. Be a big call to sign either of them though after their indiscretion (even though looks like they were provoked), especially with ET on our books as well.

The main indiscretion was catching the uber to the strip bar.

[Markwebbos]

Definitely gettable now, as is Stack. Don't know much about CCJ but I like Stack, could be just the runner off HB we need. Be a big call to sign either of them though after their indiscretion (even though looks like they were provoked), especially with ET on our books as well.

That all sounds very Michael Talia to me

[Thunder Shaker]

Terry Wallace on SEN yesterday made observation surrounding Clarko's post match comment after their loss to Adelaide, how Hawthorn & the Swans who were competing in GFs are now both occupying lower rungs of ladder due to the swings of the system. Terry jumped on that by saying it's ok to be near the bottom if you are a young team like the Swans but not if you're an old team like Hawthorn. He went on to dissect the player profiles of each club to make his point & reinforce his belief the Swans have the best under 23 players in comp. He also compared the list strategies of both clubs, in the how Hawthorn went on topping up with mature players whilst we went on re-building on the run & have done so brilliantly. He also made point even if you take away the 3 academy players out of the picture (Heaney, Mills & Blakey) which everyone tends to gravitate, what is overlooked is the talent we drafted from low end & rookie selections in comparison to Hawthorn.

Hawthorn and Geelong have had similar recruitment strategies. It's worked for Geelong but not Hawthorn. Hawthorn need to turn over their list and move some of the older players on or encourage them to retire. About a fifth of their list is over 30.

By rights, Geelong should have been taking their turn down near the bottom but their long-term recruitment strategy has worked so well for them that they haven't had a finish in the bottom 25% of the ladder since 1975. They've been just outside the bottom 25% a few times (2003: 12/16, 2001: 12/16, 1999: 11/16, 1998: 12/16, 1990: 10/14) but no lower.

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Definitely gettable now, as is Stack. Don't know much about CCJ but I like Stack, could be just the runner off HB we need. Be a big call to sign either of them though after their indiscretion (even though looks like they were provoked), especially with ET on our books as well.

Not if he's been involved in foolish behaviour in public at 3 am. Do we still have the "no d*heads" rule?

[Aprilbr]

When you have such a young list as we do, its very important to manage the culture well. Despite his obvious talent, I already have doubts about ET due to his misdemeanour. Do we want to risk bringing in others who make bad choices?

[mcs]

I'm imagining two options: Version 1 is the present one where clubs run the academies and have priority access to the players they produce. Version 2 is one where the AFL runs the academies and the clubs therefore have no priority access, but you still get more talent coming through. Do people have a problem with the second version?

The difference in record between pre-academy (where AFL was broadly responsible for talent development) in the northern states and the club-led academy period is stark. No evidence at all it wouldn't be repeated again under Version 2. The VIC old boys club running the AFL will ensure most of the focus continues to go into the traditional heartlands.

[Thunder Shaker]

From GFs to bottom four: How Swans and Hawks are rebuilding their lists

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From GFs to bottom four: How Swans and Hawks are rebuilding their lists

Don't like the comments about our academy in that article, makes players selected sound like free hits rather than us having to use a host of good picks to match them.

As for the article's intention, RWO already knows we are ahead of the Hawks list by a couple of years