2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Thunder Shaker]

Don't like the comments about our academy in that article, makes players selected sound like free hits rather than us having to use a host of good picks to match them.

Agree - The GWS Academy has produced more players, and other clubs have academies including those who are comfortably within AFL territory.

Furthermore, Blakey was eligible to be a F/S selection under AFL rules. Why is there never anything mentioned about how the Victorian clubs have such an endless well of F/S talent? GWS and GC don't have these yet. Fremantle, Port Adelaide and Adelaide have been around long enough to be just getting theirs. Brisbane, West Coast and Sydney have been around long enough, but Sydney would have more F/S players if the Victorian clubs weren't so busy poaching the Swans' best players for 20 years after relocating to Sydney.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Don't like the comments about our academy in that article, makes players selected sound like free hits rather than us having to use a host of good picks to match them.

As for the article's intention, RWO already knows we are ahead of the Hawks list by a couple of years

Yeah I agree, sounded like a propaganda piece designed to put the spotlight on our academy.


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[Steve]

Quite an in-depth article in the Hun about potential trade targets. Some interesting suggestions:

Other gettable players include:

*Sier
*Will Brodie
*Wood at Norf
*Toby Nankervis

Definite yes to Sier and / or Brodie - exactly what we need and would come at a bargain.

I was disappointed we didn’t get Wood a couple of years back when we tried - had visions of him being the player Dawson has become - but he has gone backwards horribly and just not worth considering now.

We do need another ready-made ruck and Nankervis is an interesting option. Unless you have an elite dominant ruckman the next best option is a dependable, competitive one which Nankervis is.

[Blood Fever]

Definite yes to Sier and / or Brodie - exactly what we need and would come at a bargain.

I was disappointed we didn’t get Wood a couple of years back when we tried - had visions of him being the player Dawson has become - but he has gone backwards horribly and just not worth considering now.

We do need another ready-made ruck and Nankervis is an interesting option. Unless you have an elite dominant ruckman the next best option is a dependable, competitive one which Nankervis is.

Wood is a dud. Leave well alone.

[Velour&Ruffles]

Quite an in-depth article in the Hun about potential trade targets. Some interesting suggestions:

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*Carlton could offer up de Koning or Zac Fisher as part of a trade for Paps

Other gettable players include:

*Sier, Stephenson at the Pies
*Pearce or Hamling and Jesse Hogan at Freo
*Charlie Constable or Nakia Cockatoo at Geelong
*Will Brodie and Two Metre Peter at Gold Coast
*Finlayson at the Giants
*Brayshaw at Melbourne (unlikely I think), Preuss and Jayden Hunt
*Daw and Wood at Norf
*Ruckman Sam Hayes at Port
*Coleman-Jones at the Tigers (hmmmm) and Broad
*Vardy and Petruccelle at the Weagles

Swans suggested targets:

*Daniher at a cost of $1m a year x 5 years
*Toby Nankervis

Sier.
Maybe Two Metre Peter and Preuss.
That is all.

[dimelb]

From GFs to bottom four: How Swans and Hawks are rebuilding their lists

The phrase in the article that really gave me the irrits is "the Academy gravy train". The person who uses such a phrase shows their ignorance of why the Academy system was floated and its importance for a club that lives in Rugby League and Soccer country. It is bloated Melbournism,but I'm not surprised it pops up in an AFL setting.

[MattW]

Would anyone take Bruest or Gunston? Hawks should allow premiership pair to explore their options if need be: Jordan Lewis

Gunston would be tempting - his disposals are down this year, but he is still averaging 1.7 goals a game. However, he'd probably be competing for Hayward's spot, so on balance would probably pass (unless third round cheap).

I think the only kind of player we need from opposition clubs is a genuine KPF to play with/replace Buddy, and even then we might be able to fill that need in this year's draft.

[SwanSand]

I believe we have the list to threatn for the Premiership. KPF dont make a mark unless they are 24 + and so is the case with KPD and Ruckman.
Looking at our demographic in 2-3 years from now, when we should be threatening for the flag, we need
1. KPF in their 24- 28 age group x 2
2. KPD in the same age group - atleast 1
3. Ruckman close to 26-28 years age group
4. Midfielder 24 - 28 year age group x 2
Most of our under 20 age group kids would be extremely good role players in 2 - 3 years.
We would have Isaac Heeney, Hewett, Callum Mills, Cunningham, Jake Lloyd in the perfect age
and we would have Luke Parker, Reid and Rampe in the cool head age group.
We could recruit whatever we like in the current draft but we will have to trade in 2 years to get the above list if we dont have that person on our list already.
Joe Daniher would be ideal if fit to take one slot of KPF. We probably need one more as Sam Reid will be waning by then.
If Barry O Connor and Kaiden Brand come along well they may slot in for the KPD position but we may need to trade for one closer to premiership chance. If Tom McCartin can do that role well well and good.
But what we will definitely need to trade for is a midfielder of the caliber of Josh Kennedy, Tim Kelly, Patrick Cripps in 1- 2 years to get it right.
James Rowbottom, Stephens, Campbell, Florent and Now i believe McInerney will get us the extra speed.
If Tom Papley goes - Get Carltons first round draft, and Tom De koning
Convert Carltons First round draft into a first round draft and a second round draft for points.
I think Lewis Taylor is an insurance for Tom Papley leaving and if he buys into the team ethos he has the necessary skills to do the job.
I am sure the List managers would have been happy with the injuries in a way as it has fast tracked some of the youngsters and given them an idea as to who is likely to cut it in 2 - 3 years.
Wouldnt touch anyone that is above this age group in 2 - 3 years time.

[The Runner]

We're 50-70 games away from being competitive at the top end.
If we lose Papley, we need to try to replace him. One move could be to send Reid to Collingwood for Jamie Elliott or De Goey. They badly need a key forward to contend now, and someone is being squeezed out.

That would allow us to use Papley to try to acquire a gun mid. There's no point getting more picks back for him. We'll have the academy kids coming in. It would be ideal to acquire someone similar to how Brisbane acquired Lachie Neale. He fast tracked their progression. Petracca or Josh Kelly would be great acquisitions.

If we could be aggressive and try to create something like:
- Papley for two first round picks (giving us technically 4 first round selections with Campbell)
- Reid and a first round for Elliott or DG
- Two first round picks for Kelly

We would end up with:
DG or Elliot/Kelly/Campbell/Gulden and have given up Papley/Reid/1 first round pick.

You can debate which players we go after etc. But, given we've gone to the draft a lot recently, and we 2 guaranteed selections coming in, it could be time to go after some players in the mid-20s who can impact now and for the next few years.

[barry]

We're 50-70 games away from being competitive at the top end.

I assume you mean per-player, which means we are 2-3 seasons away.

Its an amazing statistic how much lists turn over in that time. We may only have 15 players on the list in 2022 that we have now.
And we dont want to fall into the trap Norf found themselves in where they had a young team a few years ago that they overrated, and waited until they had more games under their belt, then found out they werent as good as they thought they were.

[707]

In KB we trust

[The Runner]

I assume you mean per-player, which means we are 2-3 seasons away.

Its an amazing statistic how much lists turn over in that time. We may only have 15 players on the list in 2022 that we have now.
And we dont want to fall into the trap Norf found themselves in where they had a young team a few years ago that they overrated, and waited until they had more games under their belt, then found out they werent as good as they thought they were.

Not when you are contending - Geelong and Richmond both have 25+ from 2 years ago.

[Ludwig]

I assume you mean per-player, which means we are 2-3 seasons away.

Its an amazing statistic how much lists turn over in that time. We may only have 15 players on the list in 2022 that we have now.
And we dont want to fall into the trap Norf found themselves in where they had a young team a few years ago that they overrated, and waited until they had more games under their belt, then found out they werent as good as they thought they were.

I don't think this is a fair reflection of what happened at North. They've made some good draft choices in recent years and just as many that haven't worked out. I think a number of their top young prospects from a few years back, like Mason Wood and Taylor Garner haven't panned out. They actually went big in the trade market, getting players like Higgins, Polec, Taylor Adams, Marley Williams and the list goes on. They are also notorious for not landing the 'big fish' in several trade periods. They've also had some bad luck with injuries, like to Ben Jacobs.

It's hard to pin down any one cause for why NM are in the current state they find themselves. They probably did overrate their list, went to the trade table, and got a slew of mediocre players. The total package just isn't working. They are smack in the premiership demographic, without having anything close to a premiership team.

We really don't have players to trade to lure elite players from other clubs. The young ones we want to keep and the old ones no one will want.

No one likes a good demographic analysis more than I do. But my conclusion is that we are mostly on the right track and don't have to do too much from here except develop the players we already have on our list.

I think drafting Stephens and Warner last year, plus getting Campbell and Gulden this year, more than fills out our midfield group. We need to acquire, via draft or trade, a couple of good players that fall into the ruckman/KPF category. One of them could be Joe Daniher, although I am still concerned about his long-term fitness and the high price he comes with.

We still have so many players too early to pass judgment on. They still fall into the 'good prospect' category, where more time is needed to see where they land. This should have been a good year for development, but Covid has limited the training schedule and wiped out the NEAFL, so a lot has to get pushed into next season.

I think we will have a below average turnover in the next couple of years, given how few retirements we have coming due. With Thurlow and Clarke playing their best football since joining the Swans, it's getting harder to find obvious delistings this year (although Elijah Taylor is doing his best to make this task a bit easier).

[Markwebbos]

... We really don't have players to trade to lure elite players from other clubs. The young ones we want to keep and the old ones no one will want.

No one likes a good demographic analysis more than I do. But my conclusion is that we are mostly on the right track and don't have to do too much from here except develop the players we already have on our list...

We need to acquire, via draft or trade, a couple of good players that fall into the ruckman/KPF category. One of them could be Joe Daniher, although I am still concerned about his long-term fitness and the high price he comes with...

I agree with all of that Ludwig, although I think we probably need to get our hands on at least one developed KPF/ruck given how long they take to come to maturity.

[707]

Elijah has a contract for next year

Taylor Adams plays for Pies not Norf