2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[MightyBloods]

Surely not....
Aliir is contracted with Swans. Port want him. They have to pay Overs to get him across. Give him to Port only if we get overs.... ! Ideally not at all.
I thought we would get Sam Hayes + 2nd rounder for Aliir and future 3rd rounder. Sam is not best 22 and Aliir is best 22. I doubt they will give Peter Ladhams. If Peter comes across it would be a straight swap I guess.

Word is that Port rate Hayes a higher prospect than Ladhams ...just that his acl put him behind the 8 ball this season.

[wolftone57]

I think you forgot the 20% discount in your calculations. It's more like a 600 point deficit.

Thanks Ludwig

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[rb4x]

I would think Hayes and their second rounder for Aliir would be a lot closer to the mark. Aliir a proven player in our best 22 and Hayes yet to debut.

[Markwebbos]

From regularly listening to the "Road to the Draft" podcast, I get the impression that there are good relationships built between most recruitment teams with conversations happening regularly. In non-Covid years, they share the sidelines of many underage games and have their own little family of scouts and analysts. Information is shared because it can help both parties having more certainty. From what I understand, this is especially true at the top of the draft and less so as the draft progresses due to live trading with picks in the latter parts of the first round onwards changing hands. Therefore, I do believe that clubs can take calculated risks estimating with some confidence what players each club is considering. It is why many phantom drafts are relatively accurate when looking at the first 10 picks.

Obviously, nothing is certain and so risks need to be considered. However, in the long run, it doesn't do Hawthorn any favours by creating bad relationships with Sydney. Last year, we publicly said that we weren't interested in Tom Green and that is what happened. If Hawthorn make similar conversations publicly or privately then I think the Swans would be inclined to believe them.

Again, however, I will reiterate that I'd prefer to keep pick 3.

I agree that they'll have a good idea, but I think academy bids are less predictable, and live trading means that the Dodo, or Carlton, or Adelaide could swoop in and place a bid.

You may also be right that there may be some gentlepersons' agreements going on out there between recruiters.

I think we shouldn't trade down from pick 3

[Mr Magoo]

Word is that Port rate Hayes a higher prospect than Ladhams ...just that his acl put him behind the 8 ball this season.

Ladham was involved in a covid breach in August (had a party after a win I believe ) and may not be seen in as bright a light as we see him. In the article I read it mentioned his committment to being a professional footballer which suggest it was much more than just the breach as the only attitude issue.

[Markwebbos]

Word is that Port rate Hayes a higher prospect than Ladhams ...just that his acl put him behind the 8 ball this season.

As a ruckman yes. I wonder how badly Port want Aliir. If Hayes is as good as some have said, then I'd be happy to swap AA for Hayes and a lowly pick

[Nico]

On SEN they have been saying all day we are the only club so far interested in Hogan. I hope not; he has list clogger stamped across his forehead.

[Nico]

Collingwood are in all sorts of trouble. 7 year contract for Grundy, 4 years still to go on Treloar's contract back ended, De Goey after the big bucks to re sign and the Dayne Beams contract still on the books for a few more years. I hope we don't offer someone from another club a long contract. A few years back there was wide criticism of long contracts, but now it seems the norm.

Player agents playing the clubs on a break.

[Mark26]

I listened to the draft radio for a few minutes which is about all I can stomach from those clowns. Sos and Damo think we'll take Denver Grainger-Barras at our first pick as a replacement for Reg and don't see picking up Paddy McCartin. I know Denver is supposed to be the best tall defender, but I'd be a little underwhelmed with using pick 3 on our defense which I think is pretty good and holds up in most matches.

[Blood Fever]

I tried listening to Trade Radio, but it seems to be 90% ads and 10% fantasy

there is a lot of silence to fill!

Fantasy world for the nuffies

[waswan]

Collingwood are in all sorts of trouble. 7 year contract for Grundy, 4 years still to go on Treloar's contract back ended, De Goey after the big bucks to re sign and the Dayne Beams contract still on the books for a few more years. I hope we don't offer someone from another club a long contract. A few years back there was wide criticism of long contracts, but now it seems the norm.

Player agents playing the clubs on a break.

Pick 3 for Grundy renegotiating his deal to 5yrs with Pies paying 300k in both the 1st and 2nd year

[Scottee]

NSW/ACT NAB AFL Draft Combine top performers
2km time trial
Errol Gulden 6:32 minutes
Harry Grant 6:33
Sam Thorne 6:38
Reed Van Huisstede 6:44
Charlie Byrne 6:46

Standing vertical jump
Godfrey Okerenyang 84cm
Pierce Roseby 76
Harry Grant 70
Joshua Green 68
Sam Thorne 68
Nick Brewer 68

Running vertical jump
Godfrey Okerenyang 95cm
Pierce Roseby 91
Sam Gaden 85
Joshua Green 80
Reed Van Huisstede 80
Nick Brewer 80
Lachlan McAndrew 80

Agility
Harry Grant 8 seconds
Marc Sheather 8.23
Nick Brewer 8.42
Sam Frost 8.46
Braeden Campbell 8.47

20m sprint
Godfrey Okerenyang 2.86 seconds
Braeden Campbell 2.90
Marc Sheather 2.91
Nick Brewer 3.03
Sam Frost 3.04

[Aprilbr]

A cheaper ruck option for us to consider than those previously mentioned would be Steph Martin. He is out of contract at Brisbane and gettable. He is a good ruckman albeit getting old. Our version of Mummy. He probably has a year or two left in him and he would cost us nothing apart from his salary.

Brodie Grundy would be a great get but too expensive. Either of those Port racks sound good but what do we need to give up? Again, probably too much!

[wolftone57]

A cheaper ruck option for us to consider than those previously mentioned would be Steph Martin. He is out of contract at Brisbane and gettable. He is a good ruckman albeit getting old. Our version of Mummy. He probably has a year or two left in him and he would cost us nothing apart from his salary.

Brodie Grundy would be a great get but too expensive. Either of those Port racks sound good but what do we need to give up? Again, probably too much!

That may be the case. But ask yourself why is he out of contract? One number says it all really 33. If you really wanted to go further than that he only played 8 matches this year and at his age that is a downhill slide. What's more he does not fall into our demographic or the dynasty we are trying to build

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[andreww1]

Collingwood are in all sorts of trouble. 7 year contract for Grundy, 4 years still to go on Treloar's contract back ended, De Goey after the big bucks to re sign and the Dayne Beams contract still on the books for a few more years. I hope we don't offer someone from another club a long contract. A few years back there was wide criticism of long contracts, but now it seems the norm.

Player agents playing the clubs on a break.

Do you mean like the long contract we offered Buddy of which he has hardly played in the last 2 years? [emoji1]


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